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Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2

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Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2

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Post by stiray »

stiray wrote: post #69

I hope they will support M4 soon, I cant stand macos and its desire to be different than everything else by custom keyboard shortcuts etc. After 2 years of usage, I still have issues with basic actions like copy paste. edit: omg, writing this post, i checked if there is some way to use linux shortcuts and there is (Kanesh/KMonad or Karabiner-Elements). Maybe my suffering will finally stop.

If someone needs it, https://github.com/Fuzzy-and-Fluffy/windows-keyboard-for-mac

(to replies, yes, i understand that macos keyboard shortcuts might objectively be better, but if you are using multiple computers and macos is the only one of OSs, those shortcuts become pain in the neck)

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2

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Post by izacus »

dmitrygr wrote: post #43
oblio wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AMD Strix Halo?

"up to 9 hours for light web browsing or everyday tasks" that is 1/3 the battery life of a macbook in the same use case. seems completely incomparable

No MacBook runs for 27 hours even if it says so in spec sheet. My 16" doesn't come close to apple claims.

(Did we really forget how inflated Apple battery claims really are?)

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2

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Post by Mashimo »

mike97 wrote: post #88
Mashimo wrote: post #71

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> but the Linux distros aren’t quite there yet? I just went by what Framework said on release a few weeks or month back. Maybe you can find a more up to date Linux test somewhere. And I bet you can soon get a ThinkPad with the same intel chip, that should have similar battery life.

> And I bet you can soon get a ThinkPad with the same intel chip, that should have similar battery life. Yes you can, speaking from experience. I have the T14 gen 7 with the 75 wh battery, and the 356H CPU, it only uses 4-6w/hour when coding with a lot of browser tabs open, a headless VM running, docker containers and so on, online meetings is about 6-8w/hour, this is under Linux, with default power setting from Open…

Nice. I still rock the Gen 1 or 2 T14.

Works for me, just wish I had a better display. It's possible to upgrade it, just so much conflicting information out there.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2

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Post by worldsavior »

hhh wrote: post #55
worldsavior wrote: post #54

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Using LLMs in a project like this is also somewhat illegal, because LLMs may have inside information about apple devices and it's not allowed to use it.

do you have a source for this? it doesn't really make sense to me

In illegal output: https://asahilinux.org/slop/

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2

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Post by worldsavior »

realusername wrote: post #59
worldsavior wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using LLMs in a project like this is also somewhat illegal, because LLMs may have inside information about apple devices and it's not allowed to use it.

That's nonsense, then it would also be somewhat illegal to use it inside Apple, being trained on GPL licensed code (and it's not even a possibility here but a known fact)

Apple probably uses API with ZDR. I'm talking about leaks.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2

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Post by AKSF_Ackermann »

znpy wrote: post #38

> Please stop Thinking Different Considering how much better m-series CPUs are, i’d say actually keep thinking different.

As Apple themselves proved with M1-M3, you can make really good cpus without violating the ARM architecture spec in dumb ways. Why they decided to do that in M4+ is anyone's guess.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2

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Post by lastrik »

m4rtink wrote: post #84
throwa356262 wrote: post #51

Everyone is free to work on whatever they want, but... I wish the amount of time and brain power spent on this project was instead used to work on something more friendly to the Linux community. For example to improve Strix Halo GPU and NPU support.

Really seems like the worlds most complex and intriguing sudoku - it would all go away if Apple bothered to properly document their hardware.

they're probably documenting it very well. they just refuse to give it, which is worse imo

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2

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Post by dgunay »

raybb wrote: post #65
dgunay wrote: post #21

I have immense respect for the incredible work that the Asahi team does, but at the rate that Intel and AMD have been catching up on power efficiency I wonder whether anyone will really _have_ to run Linux on M series laptops. There was a clear case for it back when Apple silicon absolutely dominated anything else you could buy but with Panther Lake I'm not so sure that Apple's lead will continue to be big enough to…

That's fair but also think about the ewaste. I'm still hoping one of these mega AI LLMs will figure out how to install Linux on the many old iPads that become nearly useless after Apple stops updating them and you can't install new apps.

Oh definitely, there's great value in it for those who already own Macbooks for one reason or another. I just personally have found myself shying away from buying a Macbook multiple times over the years because the Asahi Linux experience was really really rough at the time & probably still is for the generations I would be interested in buying.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2

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Post by realusername »

worldsavior wrote: post #95
realusername wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's nonsense, then it would also be somewhat illegal to use it inside Apple, being trained on GPL licensed code (and it's not even a possibility here but a known fact)

Apple probably uses API with ZDR. I'm talking about leaks.

That's not going to save them, the model could leak GPL licensed code on output as well, and it's an order of magnitude more likely than leaking internal documents.

These large tech companies can't have their cake and eat it too.

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