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OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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Post by pixl97 »

s3p wrote: post #51
alternatex wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think these companies have humanity's needs in mind when they're developing these models. Although the last part of your comment struck me as a bit comical, I genuinely believe that an AI can have way more empathy than a corporation. Afterall, a mimicry of empathy is probably better than no empathy.

It's a funny comparison. Comparing the empathy of some software to the empathy of a company. It's like saying my car was more empathetic than my school. How can those two objects even be compared is what i am wondering

We live in an odd time where 'software' (well neural networks) can be far more empathetic than summed product of a corporation.

Company empathy does exist, just look at how easy or hard it is to reach a company when you have a problem. How do they try to solve it for you? Is it a brick wall, for example Google when you have a problem. People quite often like dealing with small businesses because they can reach a singular human and have them as an interface to the problems they face now and in the future.

Agentic loops and the models underneath them can have a simulacra of empathy too. Not every model just blindly agrees with users, and some have a much better depth in picking up context clues that the user on the other end is having a hard time. Businesses just typically aren't running more expensive and fragile systems like that though.

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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Post by JacobAsmuth »

colingauvin wrote: post #55
eigenspace wrote: post #9

The fact that AI models can be so easily distilled and replicated is such a stroke of luck. 10 or 15 years ago if one had asked me to envision a future where a private company invents artificial intelligence, I'd have thought for sure they'd have a massive moat, be very difficult to catch, and it would create an almost instant monopoly. Rather, it seems that selling intelligence might end up as a race to the bottom.…

Where is the actual evidence of distillation? I keep seeing this repeated ad nauseam but I must have somehow missed the evidence.

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Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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Post by JacobAsmuth »

retinaros wrote: post #75
colingauvin wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where is the actual evidence of distillation? I keep seeing this repeated ad nauseam but I must have somehow missed the evidence.

there is no evidence. it shortcuts post training by a huge margin this is true. but that is all.

https://techcrunch.com/2026/04/30/elon-musk-testifies-that-x...

Make sure to stay updated!

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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Post by isatty »

aliasxneo wrote: post #86
cyanydeez wrote: post #39

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America is pretty close to rhyming with nazi germany circa 1929.

Ok, I'll bite. What's your rationale?

People who say stuff like that are unhinged chronically online trolls. Best not to feed them.

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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Post by adastra22 »

petcat wrote: post #37
sandle wrote: post #3

Absolutely loving this price war, long live open source models.

> long live open source models There are no open source models, at least not useful ones (yet) [0]. Open weight is not the same as open source. The current "open weight" models are just opaque binary blobs you can run on your own computer instead of through a web API. [0] https://allenai.org/

This viewpoint doesn't make any sense to me. The weights + inference code are the "source code" for AI. I literally don't know what else you are demanding for the "open source" label.

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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Post by t0mas88 »

GMoromisato wrote: post #76
Rover222 wrote: post #41

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I think the only moat in the future will be the scale of hardware deployment. If one company is able to deploy an order of magnitude more silicon, they'll have a firm grip on a SOTA model and massive inference usage. China or SpaceX seem like the 2 likely candidates in 5 years, but who knows.

"Who knows" is the right answer, I think. If (a) demand for AI continues to increase, and (b) SpaceX can get to ~$100/kg to orbit, then they will have a ridiculously deep moat. Probably more like 10 years, though. But as you said, who knows.

They will have moat in the satellite launching business, which is not useful in the AI datacenter market.

You can put AI chips in datacenters in the desert for far less than $100/kg. With lots of solar power available, the option to easily access your hardware and far less radiation issues.

The datacenter in space story really only exists to make it possible for Musk to sell X to SpaceX and make more money from the IPO. That's all. There is no engineering reason.

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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Post by mullen »

eigenspace wrote: post #9

The fact that AI models can be so easily distilled and replicated is such a stroke of luck. 10 or 15 years ago if one had asked me to envision a future where a private company invents artificial intelligence, I'd have thought for sure they'd have a massive moat, be very difficult to catch, and it would create an almost instant monopoly. Rather, it seems that selling intelligence might end up as a race to the bottom.…

> Rather, it seems that selling intelligence might end up as a race to the bottom.

Personally, I came to this conclusion early this year. To acquire the data that AI Companies are using to train their models is low cost and once they have it, they can refine and store it. Creating the LLM takes a bit of money but it is not a serious blocker. Clearly, the Chinese companies can make AI so they will drive down costs. There is a need for good AI (Not just Great AI) and it is not cost prohibitive to make good AI (The same with specialized AI).

My prediction is that AI will spilt into two categories, Great AI (High Cost) and Good Enough AI (Low Cost). Which for the long run of AI and companies that use AI, this is good.

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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Post by maleldil »

voxic11 wrote: post #61
colingauvin wrote: post #55

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Where is the actual evidence of distillation? I keep seeing this repeated ad nauseam but I must have somehow missed the evidence.

Distillation a pretty well documented technique that actually pre-dates LLMs https://arxiv.org/pdf/1503.02531 Here is a project that guides you through it if you want to prove to yourself that it works https://github.com/arcee-ai/DistillKit

I took GP as asking for evidence that the reduced-cost Sol is actually a distillation of the previous-cost Sol. AFAIK, providers distilling or quantising models and offering them as the same model have not been proven.

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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Post by noja »

t0mas88 wrote: post #96
GMoromisato wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Who knows" is the right answer, I think. If (a) demand for AI continues to increase, and (b) SpaceX can get to ~$100/kg to orbit, then they will have a ridiculously deep moat. Probably more like 10 years, though. But as you said, who knows.

They will have moat in the satellite launching business, which is not useful in the AI datacenter market. You can put AI chips in datacenters in the desert for far less than $100/kg. With lots of solar power available, the option to easily access your hardware and far less radiation issues. The datacenter in space story really only exists to make it possible for Musk to sell X to SpaceX and make more money from the I…

Any cooling issues to be resolved?

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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Post by dlandis »

eigenspace wrote: post #9

The fact that AI models can be so easily distilled and replicated is such a stroke of luck. 10 or 15 years ago if one had asked me to envision a future where a private company invents artificial intelligence, I'd have thought for sure they'd have a massive moat, be very difficult to catch, and it would create an almost instant monopoly. Rather, it seems that selling intelligence might end up as a race to the bottom.…

Hmm, don't people think that if the frontier labs really put enough engineering effort into preventing distillation that they would be able to do that, or at least diminish it significantly? I'm sure there are variety of additional techniques they could use on top of what they already do, but I suspect it just hasn't been at the top of their priorities yet. Maybe that will change soon. Worst case they could add additional hurdles to account creation ("know your customer" type of thing).
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