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The bond market isn’t buying what Fed Chair Warsh is selling

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Re: The bond market isn’t buying what Fed Chair Warsh is selling

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Post by Cyph0n »

lovich wrote: post #88
Cyph0n wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let’s just agree to disagree, although we will never know for sure given that Biden is a self-avowed Zionist who chose the path of unconditional support.

I will not agree to disagree. If you believe that " ... Biden could've ended that conflict with a phone call ... " as the original poster I replied to said, then please explain to me the mechanics of who exactly he would call, and how that phone call would end this conflict. I am asking that because I am appalled at how often people discussing this conflict act like fucking wars between different organizations can ju…

I engage in online discussions for one of two reasons:

1. To present a viewpoint to readers through debating with one or more people. Crucially, in this scenario, I am not interested in winning over my interlocutor(s).

2. To convince someone I personally know and/or who is clearly amenable to changing their viewpoint on the topic.

(1) doesn’t apply here because we are deep into a reply chain that virtually no one else is reading.

(2) doesn’t apply because I do not know you. I also have a very strong position on the topic of Palestine and am not interested in engaging one on one with someone who is far off from my position.

That is why I decided to pull out of the discussion. Have a good one.

Re: The bond market isn’t buying what Fed Chair Warsh is selling

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Post by iamnothere »

Sabinus wrote: post #90
iamnothere wrote: post #71

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Not helped by both parties uniting wherever necessary to freeze out outsiders (socialists, libertarians, or even liberal reformists). Anything to preserve the status quo.

I'd be interested to know when the Democrat party drove out liberal reformists.

Any time someone actually proposes effective reforms, they get frozen out. The status quo is all about symbolic action and posturing. This often gets framed as a “culture war” issue but for some reason the party old guard always ends up on the side opposing change, no matter who it is.

Re: The bond market isn’t buying what Fed Chair Warsh is selling

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Post by lovich »

Cyph0n wrote: post #91
lovich wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will not agree to disagree. If you believe that " ... Biden could've ended that conflict with a phone call ... " as the original poster I replied to said, then please explain to me the mechanics of who exactly he would call, and how that phone call would end this conflict. I am asking that because I am appalled at how often people discussing this conflict act like fucking wars between different organizations can ju…

I engage in online discussions for one of two reasons: 1. To present a viewpoint to readers through debating with one or more people. Crucially, in this scenario, I am not interested in winning over my interlocutor(s). 2. To convince someone I personally know and/or who is clearly amenable to changing their viewpoint on the topic. (1) doesn’t apply here because we are deep into a reply chain that virtually no one els…

I do the same, but I’m not going to agree with you. Fine if the conversation stops here because you’re pulling out, but I was not willing to concede.

Re: The bond market isn’t buying what Fed Chair Warsh is selling

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Post by piva00 »

UltraSane wrote: post #83
piva00 wrote: post #79

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78 years is not that far ago in terms of human generations, the children of the people displaced are still alive, and they've disputed it all the time since then. Don't understand why you think 78 years is a long time, even less why you think it's equivalent to 1300 years.

The problem is that you assert 78 years is soon enough for the Palastinian claim to the land to still matter but 1300 years is too long for the Byzantine claim to still matter so we have a paradox of the heap situation where you have to choose a hard cutoff time period after which all claims to land are invalid.

There's no need to be technical about a social aspect of human life, there's no paradox of the heap when considering the human aspect: people alive have felt in their skin and soul the displacement of their parents which is not true at all for a claim 1300 years old.

Re: The bond market isn’t buying what Fed Chair Warsh is selling

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Post by Sabinus »

iamnothere wrote: post #92
Sabinus wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be interested to know when the Democrat party drove out liberal reformists.

Any time someone actually proposes effective reforms, they get frozen out. The status quo is all about symbolic action and posturing. This often gets framed as a “culture war” issue but for some reason the party old guard always ends up on the side opposing change, no matter who it is.

What should I search to find information about this? Who are the cast-out liberal reformists?

Re: The bond market isn’t buying what Fed Chair Warsh is selling

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Post by UltraSane »

piva00 wrote: post #94
UltraSane wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that you assert 78 years is soon enough for the Palastinian claim to the land to still matter but 1300 years is too long for the Byzantine claim to still matter so we have a paradox of the heap situation where you have to choose a hard cutoff time period after which all claims to land are invalid.

There's no need to be technical about a social aspect of human life, there's no paradox of the heap when considering the human aspect: people alive have felt in their skin and soul the displacement of their parents which is not true at all for a claim 1300 years old.

Do the 800,000 jews arab countries expelled after Israel was created have the right to return?

Re: The bond market isn’t buying what Fed Chair Warsh is selling

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Post by defrost »

UltraSane wrote: post #96
piva00 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no need to be technical about a social aspect of human life, there's no paradox of the heap when considering the human aspect: people alive have felt in their skin and soul the displacement of their parents which is not true at all for a claim 1300 years old.

Do the 800,000 jews arab countries expelled after Israel was created have the right to return?

Do they want to?

Moreover, there are Palestinians that would like the generationally farmed land back that they lived on last week, last month, last year, five years ago, etc.

Shouldn't they have the right to land that has been illegally stolen from them that recently?

Re: The bond market isn’t buying what Fed Chair Warsh is selling

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Post by iamnothere »

Sabinus wrote: post #95
iamnothere wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any time someone actually proposes effective reforms, they get frozen out. The status quo is all about symbolic action and posturing. This often gets framed as a “culture war” issue but for some reason the party old guard always ends up on the side opposing change, no matter who it is.

What should I search to find information about this? Who are the cast-out liberal reformists?

You could argue that the “Abundance” Democrats fall into this group, as they have been mostly sidelined. Al Franken and Howard Dean come to mind as well. Dean’s exit was particularly painful as his (somewhat obvious) 50 state strategy succeeded in 2007 and 2013, and resulted in a party that was more flexible and responsive to material regional concerns. As an independent voter, this was a huge improvement over any party organization before or since.

I think it depends on how you characterize “reformist”. I’m almost certainly being too loose with this term. I mean people who actually push hard for substantial reform, including deep technical reforms, not the common colloquial meaning of incremental, superficial reform from groups like the New Democrat Coalition. Frankly I probably should have used a different word, as I think my usage here is atypical.

What I mean is the somewhat awkward “non-mainstream liberals who advocate for substantial policy changes.” Maybe I should just say progressives? But the people I’m thinking of don’t quite fit in with most of the progressives, even if they do sometimes align with them. We don’t have Lib Dems like the UK does, but that would probably be the segment I’m talking about if we had that here.

Re: The bond market isn’t buying what Fed Chair Warsh is selling

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Post by UltraSane »

defrost wrote: post #97
UltraSane wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do the 800,000 jews arab countries expelled after Israel was created have the right to return?

Do they want to? Moreover, there are Palestinians that would like the generationally farmed land back that they lived on last week, last month, last year, five years ago, etc. Shouldn't they have the right to land that has been illegally stolen from them that recently?

"Do they want to?"

Why wouldn't they want to? Are you suggesting that living in Israel is preferable for Jews than living in a Muslim country?

Re: The bond market isn’t buying what Fed Chair Warsh is selling

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Post by orwin »

cyberax wrote: post #78
orwin wrote: post #56

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What caused the second recession in Europe was a decrease in energy supply. Country that depended the most on the North sea or North Africa oil and gas exports suffered the most. We still live under the constraints of our world, and energy availablity is a big one.

I'm talking about the rate hikes in 2010-2011 after the economy started picking up. It caused the double-dip recession in 2012: https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/euu/eur... and https://www.statista.com/statistics/621489/fluctuation-of-fi... The actions of the ECB caused at least 10 years of misery for Europe. The 2008 crisis was inevitable, but the US bounced back from it within 2 years. While Euro…

Yes. Oil peak production in North Africa is early 2010, peak gas in the north sea is 2004, peak oil 2008. The US recovery started as they started to exploit non-conventional gas, then oil, and Canada who exploited non-conventional felt it even less. Finance (and investing in developing new energy sources) of course had an impact , but energy availability is what drive production growth.
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