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Re: AI in Linux

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Post by Legend2440 »

dminik wrote: post #88
mbrumlow wrote: post #84

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Having jobs for the sake of having jobs sounds like living in hell. From what I can tell your argument works out to be as simple as we can’t do this because we want to keep people working, which the vast majority of people hate doing. There is a small minority of people who enjoy work. It seems cruel to enslave a people in mass simply to keep them busy.

The current economic system is based on people working in exchange for payment. They can then use it on their own life, including living space, food, health and entertainment. Those who do not work do not get such "luxuries." I'm not arguing for forcing people to work. If we get to a point where no work is economically feasible for humans to do I would very much like some form of UBI or similar to take care of people…

No they haven't. That whole news article is based on one two-word tweet in a thread about how old people dominate local politics.

Someone suggested that pensioners shouldn't get a vote, and the Shopify founder responded with "good system".

That's it. That's the whole story. Somehow you turned that into "billionaires are trying to enslave us", probably because you already believe that anyway.

Re: AI in Linux

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Post by panny »

I'm ambivalent about the impact of AI on society with respect to Sashiko, but that is the weak argument to make against AI code review.

The strong argument to make is that AI code review sucks. It does a bad job. It denies there are bugs that you have personally verified exists, questions the reason for the patch existing based on this denial, and then demands you create a giant scaffolding of tests to prove to the AI that the bug exists and that your patch will fix it. It is rude to do that to someone contributing their free time to help your project. And yes, I have forked one project as a result of this already.

AI code review will atomize your community with great speed. Beware.

Re: AI in Linux

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Post by TiredOfLife »

ch71r22 wrote: post #50
atemerev wrote: post #31

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AI is just a tech like any other. Can be powered by CO2-neutral electricity like anything else. Otherwise, we'll have to protest against aluminum cans, airplanes, golf courts, lemon trees, and whatever else that uses water or electricity.

That's a false equivalence. AI is not the same as aluminum cans. All technologies have political, social, ethical, and economic aspects, and not all technologies are the same. AI is not, in reality, powered by CO2-neutral electricity. As the article mentions, AI is the fastest-growing energy user in the world, so it probably merits a deeper look than aluminum cans.

> AI is not the same as aluminum cans.

True. AI is actually useful.

Re: AI in Linux

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Post by TiredOfLife »

NewJazz wrote: post #61
kouteiheika wrote: post #54

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> This is a really disingenuous way to characterize the article (CO2 and global warming were much more of a focus than water, so your "or something" is doing a lot of work). Remind me please, how much exactly do data centers contribute to greenhouse emissions? And how much something like, I don't know, meat production contribute? If my Googling is correct, apparently a single ChatGPT query produces ~0.004 kg CO2e/kg.…

What's with this whataboutism? What if I told you I was vegan? What if I told you I only drive to work or to medical appointments? Would you pull another excuse out to justify your emissions? I've seen anti-AI protests. Where are all the anti-meat protests? Fucking everywhere bro.

> What if I told you I was vegan?

That means you are likely responsible for more water wastage than a datacenter

Re: AI in Linux

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Post by dminik »

Legend2440 wrote: post #91
dminik wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current economic system is based on people working in exchange for payment. They can then use it on their own life, including living space, food, health and entertainment. Those who do not work do not get such "luxuries." I'm not arguing for forcing people to work. If we get to a point where no work is economically feasible for humans to do I would very much like some form of UBI or similar to take care of people…

No they haven't. That whole news article is based on one two-word tweet in a thread about how old people dominate local politics. Someone suggested that pensioners shouldn't get a vote, and the Shopify founder responded with "good system". That's it. That's the whole story. Somehow you turned that into "billionaires are trying to enslave us", probably because you already believe that anyway.

That's a very uncharitable take on what I said. A comment that I've written semi-sarcastically as a reply to someone accusing me of supporting slavery.

Now, I'm fully aware that it's just one guy. But technically, under the proposed system it would be more like 5 guys.

Re: AI in Linux

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Post by beng-nl »

atemerev wrote: post #32
criddell wrote: post #12

From the title, I was hoping this was going to be a story about the major AI distros agreeing on an API and basic AI capabilities to be included in Linux just like Microsoft and Apple have done with their operating systems. Instead, it's: > how many tons of CO₂ added to the atmosphere or liters of fresh water supplies disrupted is a tolerable price for a better code review? The answer isn't zero, is it?

And also it can be zero. Nuclear power is CO2 neutral. So is solar.

Pardon my nitpick, but producing solar panels isn’t emission free.

Re: AI in Linux

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Post by berkes »

logancbrown wrote: post #73
berkes wrote: post #29

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> Economies of scale -> more energy = bigger electric plants = cheaper energy. This isn't true. Certainly not globally. Because electricity in 2026 is converting finite and scares resources. Plants need fuel to burn, water to cool, material to build, land to sit on, etc. Yes, even Nuclear plants¹ need increasingly more scarce resources like "coolant". What has been bringing electricity prices down is renewables: insa…

It is true globally as well, but there are certainty anecdotes where confounding factors makes it not true like what you've highlighted with specific France Nuclear reactors. We should be cognizant of the environmental impact of producing more energy, but it still remains true that making more energy means cheaper energy across the resources we have today.

No, sorry. It's simply not true.

Energy prices, and electricity prices are rising, indexed for inflation. For households and for commerce.

E.g. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=UUeu

Re: AI in Linux

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Post by atemerev »

beng-nl wrote: post #97
atemerev wrote: post #32

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And also it can be zero. Nuclear power is CO2 neutral. So is solar.

Pardon my nitpick, but producing solar panels isn’t emission free.

Sure, and not only CO2 is a problem. Still beats burning coal and natural gas any given day.

Re: AI in Linux

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Post by ethbr1 »

rcxdude wrote: post #35
usrbinbash wrote: post #28

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> Economies of scale -> more energy = bigger electric plants = cheaper energy. Problem is; power plants are not something that can be spun up with a kubectl invocation. Power plants need to be built. This process takes YEARS, and in some cases over a decade. And that's just the plants themselves. The grid also has to be built out to be able to handle the new load. And while this potentially +10year process is ongoing…

The largest build-out, which is in renewables, features plants that can go up very quickly, at least. The grid upgrades are the bigger bottleneck.

> largest build-out, which is in renewables

Yes and... it's still a projected ~50/50 split of future datacenter energy growth being met by renewables or coal (China) + natural gas (US). https://www.iea.org/reports/energy-and-ai/energy-supply-for-...

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