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Re: Teen hackers who live streamed cyber-attack on TfL jailed

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Post by cucumber3732842 » Thu, Jul 16, 2026, 10:09 PM UTC

roryirvine wrote: post #64

cucumber3732842 wrote: post #55

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The building owner has a degree of duty to mitigate loss. They can't go around opening doors and windows after the fire is started but before the fire department gets there and be all "whoops not my fault blame it on the guy who started the fire" regardless of how the fire started.

The duty to mitigate loss is a concept in contract law, and its main use is in calculating damages (ie. you can't claim damages for a loss that you ought to have mitigated) It would definitely come into play if TfL were suing Jubair & Flowers, but it's not really relevant in a criminal situation like this.

I should have avoided those specific works because of the nitpickers.

In any case you can't go out of your way to make the situation worse with a sort of sly understanding that because you're the victim the other person will wind up on the hook for it. They may wind up on the hook for it if you are a huge and exceptionally well connected entity and the other side is a nobody, but that's not how the system is supposed to work and it's not how it does work when the parties are on equal legal footing.

Re: Teen hackers who live streamed cyber-attack on TfL jailed

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Post by rolph » Thu, Jul 16, 2026, 11:40 PM UTC

bityard wrote: post #53

jfyi wrote: post #9

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10 years and they'll be mid way into their conference talk career. You know, that sweet spot where you can keep telling the same story over and over and still get attention for it. That makes me wonder what Frank Abagnale has been up to recently.

Not sure if you're aware already and omitted it for brevity but maybe for others who might not already know: Abignale made up everything (or nearly everything) he claimed to have done in his book and in the movie. He was still taking advantage of people during this time, but the acts were far more mundane (and slimy) than his claims. He was a con man for sure, but not the "brilliant but misguided criminal gets redemp…

"Frank, if you go out that door the french are gonna kill you!"

Re: Teen hackers who live streamed cyber-attack on TfL jailed

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Post by Sabinus » Fri, Jul 17, 2026, 3:38 AM UTC

erelong wrote: post #33

do you think there is a way to divert kids like this into some kind of useful programming / IT direction and if so what do you think would be the best way to handle this (like a group that takes black hat hackers to white hat hacker projects?) kids with like anti-social or aggressive tendencies plus maybe some tech "skillz"

>The National Crime Agency (NCA) said the rise of young hackers in the UK as one of the biggest threats to the nation's cyber security.

Pity we can't do the same as the Russians and just point them at geopolitical adversaries. Russian viruses have been known to uninstall themselves if they detect Russian language configured on the device.

Re: Teen hackers who live streamed cyber-attack on TfL jailed

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Post by jfyi » Fri, Jul 17, 2026, 8:49 AM UTC

red-iron-pine wrote: post #88

jfyi wrote: post #24

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You remember a way different 90's than I do. It was just simpler back then. There was no aslr, no hardware level protection from execution, traffic was all plaintext, switches didn't exist, or maybe they did but just nobody used them and everything on every network was just one giant collision domain, developers by and large didn't even think about securing software outside of DRM, and absolutely nobody understood th…

disagree. back then you were an autodydact. i can get on YT or some AI and find how to do virtually all of the stuff you mentioned, but back then you had to roll your own and figure it out yourself but i am generally in alignment with the idea that they're not getting gub'mnt jobs now. 1) how could you trust them? and 2) there is a global glut of talent, including laid-off FAANG / big-org talent that you could scoop…

I had books that I scoured from the visiting nurses book sale every year and phrack. That's not much different than yt or ai. I guess there was less direct context with the books, but grasping the basics got you further.

It's ok that we disagree though.

Re: Teen hackers who live streamed cyber-attack on TfL jailed

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Post by drcongo » Fri, Jul 17, 2026, 10:31 AM UTC

inigyou wrote: post #28

williamdclt wrote: post #12

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I don't understand what you mean, can you explain?

Let's say I invented a genius way to use cryptography to send anonymous payments, I'd go to jail for doing that (Tornado Cash). Let's say I made a secure messenger, I'd go to jail for that (Telegram, EncroChat, SkyECC) or narrowly avoid jail (Session) or be forced to add a backdoor (Anom). Let's say I made an operating system that didn't spy on you, I'd be threatened with jail for that (GrapheneOS). And of course the…

"Here's a list of things that have got some people in trouble, and therefore everything is illegal."

Where's your list of things that nobody got in trouble for? Presumably you didn't include that because a trillion things happen every day without anyone getting arrested for them. Amazing. It turns out that not everything is illegal.

Re: Teen hackers who live streamed cyber-attack on TfL jailed

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Re: Teen hackers who live streamed cyber-attack on TfL jailed

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Post by illliillll » Sat, Jul 18, 2026, 12:20 PM UTC

mrguyorama wrote: post #83

inigyou wrote: post #78

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They're not excusing the sociopathic element. They're explaining the apparent discrepancy between the fact that autistic people are bad at socializing and the fact that some autistic people are good at social engineering.

There's no discrepancy because "social engineering" isn't "Being good at social things" Social engineering is just conman pressure tactics or hard sales tactics. It's so simple you can train your average stay at home mom or "hustle culture" bro to do it for Amway or similar in an afternoon. It requires zero social skills. You aren't "Charming" the tech support, you are just badgering them and waiting until they do th…

> You aren't "Charming" the tech support, you are just badgering them and waiting until they do the normal human thing of trying to be helpful.

Exactly, you just ask normally. There’s no need for any special tricks. What would a real employee who can’t log into their account say on the phone? Just say that.

Re: Teen hackers who live streamed cyber-attack on TfL jailed

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Post by cindyllm » Sat, Jul 18, 2026, 12:23 PM UTC

illliillll wrote: post #97

mrguyorama wrote: post #83

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There's no discrepancy because "social engineering" isn't "Being good at social things" Social engineering is just conman pressure tactics or hard sales tactics. It's so simple you can train your average stay at home mom or "hustle culture" bro to do it for Amway or similar in an afternoon. It requires zero social skills. You aren't "Charming" the tech support, you are just badgering them and waiting until they do th…

> You aren't "Charming" the tech support, you are just badgering them and waiting until they do the normal human thing of trying to be helpful. Exactly, you just ask normally. There’s no need for any special tricks. What would a real employee who can’t log into their account say on the phone? Just say that.

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