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Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

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Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

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post #87

Why are we so passive to the promotion of such scams? I keep telling people about such things and I am looked at as nerdy, geeky or boring. But this stupid reaction finally explains to me why human life for ordinary people will always largely be a life of suffering.

average people never have skin in the game too. They barely understand a lot of the things that make things possible

Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

#92
post #35

Hopefully this could be the first good thing about Brexit...this might not get implemented in the UK or there will be a delay!

UK already technically banned encryption, causing Apple to remove the encrypted cloud service for UK customers. Check UK's "Investigatory Powers Act (IPA)"

Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

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post #90
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> how democratic of the EU Well, these are the MEPs elected by member states. We don’t like the outcome but this means chat control is well supported within the government of each country.

Is it really supported by the people, or just the politicians? If the former, the EU is an autocratic democracy. If the later, an autocratic oligarchy. Either way bad. Only true democracy in Europe is Switzerland where the people actually get to vote on laws.

Representative democracy vs direct democracy is the actual dichotomy you’re looking for.

Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

#95
I'm always astonished how democratic politicians willingly allow for tools which might be misused by a future undemocratic party.

I'm not a politician or some civil rights activist but I can see that. It's right there. We have a similar situation in Germany these days. We'll be giving more rights to the Federal Intelligence Service ( foreign intelligence) and the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (domestic intelligence). Basically allowing them to act more offensive (or offensive at all).

We're one or two elections away from having fascists in the government again.

Is it already a conspiracy theory if I suspect them of doing that deliberately because I can't imagine them being stupid?

Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

#96

Local governments are likely to block the initiative. We need a Polish based messenger that won't bend to chat control fascist initiatives.

Nothing is brought to the Commission that local governments do not secretly want, but publically rage against because the voters are against it.

When Brussles then decides, 'there's nothing we can do, it's an EU thing' ... and a moustache-twirl.

The only thing that can stop this is to completely dismantle the EU. Which means, unfortunately, voting for people any good person should rightfully despise.

Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

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post #6

"The procedure now chosen gives the proponents of Chat Control a significant tactical advantage. Since the law is in its second reading, an absolute majority of 361 votes of all parliament members is required for amendments or a renewed rejection on Thursday. In contrast, a simple majority of the MEPs present is sufficient for the other side. As many parliamentarians have historically already departed by the last day…

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Is there reliable polling that shows this is broadly unpopular?

Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

#98
So now that this is done the first thing we need is a list of platform covered and potentially covered by Chat Control.

It is still unclear to me if Proton Mail, Tuta, SimpleX servers, Signal, etc. fall under this or might.

Do they even have to officially declare if they are complying?

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