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Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

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Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

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Post by pigpop »

chrystalkey wrote: post #15
miroljub wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You have apparently no idea what an actual dictatorship is

It's much more of an oligarchy where even though the members of the elite are elected the body of them as a whole appears to have enough influence over new members to force them to act in accordance with an ongoing plan. It seems like any real change would require a very large super majority of new members to be elected at the same time in order to change course. Even a country like the UK seems to still be under their influence after leaving the union which speaks volumes about the amount of backroom dealing that must be going on.

Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

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Post by aaomidi »

nuka_coffee wrote: post #27
skeptic_ai wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell me the difference please. Which country we compare to?

A dictatorship has a dictator. Who doesn't know that?

TBH modern dictatorships are a lot less obvious in the way you describing.

There are dictatorships, where a very select few people have absolute power, but there’s no visible dictator.

Iran is a country like this. There’s no visible dictator. It’s a game of power between the clergy, the military, and the civil government.

Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

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Post by iamnothere »

osigurdson wrote: post #26
nekusar wrote: post #9

The cypherpunks were right. Rights to encryption are only a part of what we need. The other part is steganography, or hiding real messages within a innocuous anodyne message stream. And encryption can be used in conjunction as part of hiding said messages. It can be within pictures with the lowest bit values. It can be constructed punctuation and spaces. Lots of things. But hidden and plausibly deniable messaging is…

What I don't understand is, what kind of legitimate criminal would not use such techniques? Are bank robbers planning things out on iMessage? If so, presumably they won't be criminals for very long. Therefore these types of initiatives only impact the innocent and inept but still active criminals.

The purpose of these efforts is not to catch criminals, at least not primarily, it’s to map the spread of “dangerous” ideas and the networks behind them. In other words, to prevent effective political change.

Found a new problematic meme? Someone leaked a video of you taking a bribe? Someone published a photo of damage from a missile strike? Add it to the database of forbidden media and quickly track down the source.

Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

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Post by pigpop »

iamnothere wrote: post #24
73738384 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The European Comission is the top decision maker of the EU. The European citizen has zero (0) influence on the members or actions of the EC. No different than the politburo in China.

It is slightly different than China, China has implemented hotlines/apps for citizen complaints in response to social pressure, and it actually attempts to address those complaints.

Given a choice between China and the EU at this point I would choose to live in China.

Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

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Post by rollulus »

“We decide on something, leave it lying around, and wait and see what happens. If no one kicks up a fuss, because most people don't understand what has been decided, we continue step by step until there is no turning back.”

And

“If it's a Yes, we will say 'on we go', and if it's a No we will say 'we continue'.”

- Jean-Claude Juncker

Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

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Post by earth-tattoo »

pr337h4m wrote: post #20
harrisoned wrote: post #8

Even if you are not in the EU, this will affect you. Some countries really like to copy such regulations from others. Once services starts complying, other governments will go like "if you did for them, you can do it for us, right? so it's not technically impossible", and things only get worse from there. Not all services will simply block the EU as well, which would be better to send a stronger message if approved.…

Centralized messaging services won't last long, their capture is sadly inevitable. In the long run, only self-hosted/decentralized protocols can resist what's coming. In the meantime though, Signal specifically should not do something stupid like blocking the EU, which is basically surrender. They are a non-profit headquartered in the US, so there are zero business risks to non-compliance - nothing in the EU to fine…

If I was signal CEO I would have self hosted years ago! There's many reasons for signal to be not on AWS.

Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

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Post by raverbashing »

belowavgiq wrote: post #3

"The procedure now chosen gives the proponents of Chat Control a significant tactical advantage. Since the law is in its second reading, an absolute majority of 361 votes of all parliament members is required for amendments or a renewed rejection on Thursday. In contrast, a simple majority of the MEPs present is sufficient for the other side. As many parliamentarians have historically already departed by the last day…

1 - this is about Chat Control 1.0

2 - The vote was on the "Urgency requirement"

> parliamentarians starting their summer break whenever they want will never not be funny

Eh. This is the least problematic thing here. Some MEPs might just be on official PTO.

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