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Anthropic's Method to Losing Goodwill in a Few Easy Steps

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Re: Anthropic's Method to Losing Goodwill in a Few Easy Steps

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Post by tikhonj »

internet2000 wrote: post #42

They're subsidizing their tokens as long as you use their software. That's a fair exchange, I never understood why people took issue with it. If you don't want to get locked in to Claude Code, you can pay more. Just like you can pay more for an unlocked non-carrier subsidized phone. (Which I personally do.)

I mean, it has definite Borg Bill Gates vibes, doesn't it?

It's totally reasonable for tech folks to be leery of a company using a strong market position from one system (Windows/Claude) to push mediocre complementary software (IE/CC).

Re: Anthropic's Method to Losing Goodwill in a Few Easy Steps

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

trollbridge wrote: post #88
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that were the only issue, I’d say Anthropic were fine. Dario took the tremendous goodwill his row with Hegseth gave him and blew it. The major problems are Anthropic’s back-end instability and front-end kludginess (Electron!) revealing the gap between Anthropic’s capability and marketing, and Dario bizarrely copying Altman’s 2023 fire-and-brimstone playbook that had already massively backfired.

Using Electron in this day and age shows a particular lack of effort, considering how easy it is to use an agent harness to build native versions of apps. I mean, we're a tiny little business and we somehow find the bandwidth to do it.

It shows Anthropic doesn’t trust its agents to write native apps. That cuts cleanly against its marketing.

And if the Electron app were flawless, that would be one thing. It isn’t. It’s buggy, feature light, constantly updating and slow.

Re: Anthropic's Method to Losing Goodwill in a Few Easy Steps

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Post by dukky »

dukky wrote: post #75
internet2000 wrote: post #42

They're subsidizing their tokens as long as you use their software. That's a fair exchange, I never understood why people took issue with it. If you don't want to get locked in to Claude Code, you can pay more. Just like you can pay more for an unlocked non-carrier subsidized phone. (Which I personally do.)

Part of the point is that they've added all sorts of caveats - `claude -p` used to be "using their software", but isn't anymore, even though it's just invoking the same harness non-interactively

https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15036540-use-the-clau...

Looks like they actually walked this bit back

Re: Anthropic's Method to Losing Goodwill in a Few Easy Steps

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Post by [deleted] »

NetOpWibby wrote: post #53
hnlmorg wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Open models like GLM 5.2 are getting good enough to handle 90% of tasks, and will eat most of their usage unless they start serving it at cost. Most people either don’t have the money to buy hardware to run open models and/or don’t have the utilisation to make renting cost effective.

This is where I’m at. While I’d LOVE to have a powerful near-frontier model at home, I don’t have the extra funds necessary to purchase a tricked-out Mac Studio…and if I did, I’d pay off debts.

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Re: Anthropic's Method to Losing Goodwill in a Few Easy Steps

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Post by imron »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #70
delduca wrote: post #61

It was so good when it was possible to use Claude subscription on OpenCode. Nowadays I went from Claude 20x to 5x and been using the GLM model on OpenCode... No regrets.

Codex GPT sub works perfect in opencode FWIW. But actually their own codex harness is quite decent on its own and doesn't have the quality issues or bloat that Claude Code does. Native Rust and open source. And in fact I've got a configuration here to point it at GLM which I also use (via Neuralwatt subscription) in addition to OpenAI's sub. I do not like opencode's philosophy on the clipboard, it tries to be too cle…

Codex works great in opencode until it gets up to around 200k context. Then it starts doing things like:

me: Can you implement the next thing

OpenCode+Codex: Yep I'll do that next.

me: Well?

OpenCode+Codex:

me: Looks good, let's fix this one issue.

OpenCode+Codex: Sure let's do that.

me:

--

I've found the codex cli to be much better in this regard, it doesn't nearly derp out so much at higher token counts.

Opus is still my favourite model (I've found 4.6 specifically gives me the best results in OpenCode), but with all the shenanigans Anthropic is pulling, Codex is a close enough substitute.

Re: Anthropic's Method to Losing Goodwill in a Few Easy Steps

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Post by dizhn »

delduca wrote: post #61

It was so good when it was possible to use Claude subscription on OpenCode. Nowadays I went from Claude 20x to 5x and been using the GLM model on OpenCode... No regrets.

I am using both opencode and claude on Paseo. Worth a look. paseo.sh

Re: Anthropic's Method to Losing Goodwill in a Few Easy Steps

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Post by dofm »

logravia wrote: post #64

The more interesting question is why would you at any point ever extend any goodwill to an unbounded corporate entity? Whenever you are faced with a corpo you should conceptualize it as a system that will happily mow you over for increased profits, unless it is legally bound to not prioritize profits above everything else and its structural incentives push it in a pro-social direction.

It is weird how IT people either forget, or don't know, that the only reason we have PCs as a standard is that IBM insisted AMD also be able to make the x86 architecture so that they had two possible suppliers.

People do like to join corporate brand loyalty teams, which just seems to me like a way to guarantee disappointment.

I've used a Mac essentially continuously for 28 years. Always the not-quite cheapest, often secondhand, and always in the context of a job that required deep understanding of Linux; the Mac itself offers complementary, somewhat overlapping tools.

Macs never quite frustrate me more than the alternatives, but I maintain an interest in possible alternatives, and at any point if switching made a fundamental difference, I'd switch. I have found a Windows convertible tablet to be a better lightweight travel companion than a Mac or an iPad, and I have a solid, reliable Kubuntu machine on my desk.

IMO as a professional tech user you should always have options, and you should often re-evaluate those options wherever you can do that at no real cost.

Re: Anthropic's Method to Losing Goodwill in a Few Easy Steps

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Post by netruk44 »

datakan wrote: post #77
NetOpWibby wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is where I’m at. While I’d LOVE to have a powerful near-frontier model at home, I don’t have the extra funds necessary to purchase a tricked-out Mac Studio…and if I did, I’d pay off debts.

Probably wouldn't matter if you had the funds either since MacStudios are 3-4 months out for purchase.

And also the weights for GLM 5.2 are 1.5 TB. The only Studios Apple sells today are hard-capped to 64 GB (M4 Max) or 96 GB (M3 Ultra) only.

You'd need at least 24 new M4 Max Studios, or 16 new M3 Ultra Studios, or 3 used 512 GB M3 Ultra Studios just to power one GLM 5.2 instance. And even then, you're probably looking at Personally, I think it makes way more sense to pay a model provider $3/1M tokens.

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