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We can still stop California's 3D printer surveillance scheme

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Re: We can still stop California's 3D printer surveillance scheme

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Post by wolvoleo »

I'm glad I don't live in California (or America in general) but this is such BS.

I don't think we will have much of this in Europe because guns are pretty rare here and so is ammo. We just don't really have gun problems except with organised criminals but they don't 3D print them, they just buy them.

But anyway, 3D printing isn't rocket science. It never was and it sure isn't now. Anyone can build one in their garage and many of us have in fact done so when it was a new tech. If someone wants to be printing gun parts they are going to be printing gun parts.

Re: We can still stop California's 3D printer surveillance scheme

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Post by arjie »

azov wrote: post #50
arjie wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

California is just a population that tries to solve problems with maximal regulation and selective enforcement. So you get to see the effects. Here are some laws that I think the HN community would be hugely in favour of: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48652773 Yeah, I'd prefer to have an offline 3d printer but it seems I've made a mistake with my Bambu P1S.

What was the mistake? Can’t P1S work offline? I thought they can print from SD card, and there’s also LAN mode?..

Oh you’re right. I just use BambuSlicer but that’s not required. I can probably use Orca on the LAN.

Re: We can still stop California's 3D printer surveillance scheme

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Post by gorgoiler »

gdiamos wrote: post #85

My kindergartner has a 3D printer. I got a call from the school principal. She said “another parent called and said your son 3D printed a gun and brought it to school”. I looked at the print history. It was a tiny toy mandalorian figurine holding a blaster pistol in his hand. I bought my son a bigger 3D printer and told him to stop playing with that boy.

Good for you. Over-enforcement absolutely needs to be penalized. One of my biggest weaknesses is refusing to let people get away with the kind of lazy thinking you encountered.

Hands up if you’ve ever been told you can’t do something because of potential SOC2 audit non-compliance. Or it’s against GDPR. Or legal won’t allow it. Or it’s against IT security policy. Or just against “policy”.

Re: We can still stop California's 3D printer surveillance scheme

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Post by fragmede »

jatora wrote: post #40
asveikau wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My letter opened with the fact that I generally favor reasonable gun laws, then elaborated how this is not that. It's possible that nobody reads it and captures the nuance, but I did spend time to consider the framing. Nobody who actually reads it will think I am an extremist or that I haven't carefully considered the topic.

99% chance your letter ends up in the shredder without being read

Get some sleep, your cynicism is showing.

Re: We can still stop California's 3D printer surveillance scheme

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Post by fragmede »

asveikau wrote: post #47
jatora wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

99% chance your letter ends up in the shredder without being read

By the way I also know for a fact that Scott Wiener's staff reads San Francisco's subreddit. Commenting about Wiener's vote in there will reach his staff. Given the bay area presence here it's also possible somebody "who knows a guy" will even see this thread name-drop him.

I posted it there. https://www.reddit.com/r/sanfrancisco/comments/1ugs3l5/we_ca...

Re: We can still stop California's 3D printer surveillance scheme

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Post by SoftTalker »

gorgoiler wrote: post #93
gdiamos wrote: post #85

My kindergartner has a 3D printer. I got a call from the school principal. She said “another parent called and said your son 3D printed a gun and brought it to school”. I looked at the print history. It was a tiny toy mandalorian figurine holding a blaster pistol in his hand. I bought my son a bigger 3D printer and told him to stop playing with that boy.

Good for you. Over-enforcement absolutely needs to be penalized. One of my biggest weaknesses is refusing to let people get away with the kind of lazy thinking you encountered. Hands up if you’ve ever been told you can’t do something because of potential SOC2 audit non-compliance. Or it’s against GDPR. Or legal won’t allow it. Or it’s against IT security policy. Or just against “policy”.

Why do you suppose all those rules and policies came to be?

Re: We can still stop California's 3D printer surveillance scheme

#98

Post by qwerpy »

gdiamos wrote: post #85

My kindergartner has a 3D printer. I got a call from the school principal. She said “another parent called and said your son 3D printed a gun and brought it to school”. I looked at the print history. It was a tiny toy mandalorian figurine holding a blaster pistol in his hand. I bought my son a bigger 3D printer and told him to stop playing with that boy.

> I bought my son a bigger 3D printer and told him to stop playing with that boy.

I can't think of a better response to that situation. I'm going to use it when appropriate for my own kids when the time comes.

Also - your kindergartner is autonomously searching for 3d printer models and executing prints at that age? That's awesome. Curious what 3d printer and what mechanism he uses to search and initiate prints.

Re: We can still stop California's 3D printer surveillance scheme

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Post by SoftTalker »

deet wrote: post #10

Imagine if you couldn't buy a lathe unless it refused to make a baseball bat (which could be used for hitting people). Or if you couldn't buy scissors (because they could cut brake lines). Or if you couldn't buy a car (because it could be used to run someone over). And if all of those checked with the government before functioning. It's almost like maybe instead you should just ban the undesirable end action, enforce…

In fact, right up front in TFA they point out that California already bans manufacturing firearms without a license. This 3D printer regulation is entirely duplicative and unnecessary.

Re: We can still stop California's 3D printer surveillance scheme

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Post by Ancapistani »

SoftTalker wrote: post #96
gorgoiler wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good for you. Over-enforcement absolutely needs to be penalized. One of my biggest weaknesses is refusing to let people get away with the kind of lazy thinking you encountered. Hands up if you’ve ever been told you can’t do something because of potential SOC2 audit non-compliance. Or it’s against GDPR. Or legal won’t allow it. Or it’s against IT security policy. Or just against “policy”.

Why do you suppose all those rules and policies came to be?

Because of a problem that all those rules and policies don’t solve, while introducing new ones and creating an entire bureaucracy dependent upon keeping them in place regardless of their efficacy?
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