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Re: After AI takes everything

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Post by torginus »

bayarearefugee wrote: post #64
torginus wrote: post #57

Btw, its insane to think imo that a few years from now theres going to be no jobs - AI isnt going to cook food or stack bricks or any number of manual processes - in fact I'd be very happy if AI could just fix software - basically heaps upon heaps of software is just built wrong fundamentally (operating systems, just to give one huge example), and AI productivity could give us a chance to try again and build things t…

> Btw, its insane to think imo that a few years from now theres going to be no jobs - AI isnt going to cook food or stack bricks or any number of manual processes We're all really excited to do those mostly minimum wage jobs. Especially given how much competition there will be for them when the currently non-minimum-wage jobs disappear.

Why would those jobs be minimum wage? Skilled trades often pay as well or better than most desk jobs - which might be a downgrade for a lot of folks here, but the maximalist AI disruption premise is still far from an apocalyptic scenario

Re: After AI takes everything

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Post by apatry »

torginus wrote: post #91
bayarearefugee wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Btw, its insane to think imo that a few years from now theres going to be no jobs - AI isnt going to cook food or stack bricks or any number of manual processes We're all really excited to do those mostly minimum wage jobs. Especially given how much competition there will be for them when the currently non-minimum-wage jobs disappear.

Why would those jobs be minimum wage? Skilled trades often pay as well or better than most desk jobs - which might be a downgrade for a lot of folks here, but the maximalist AI disruption premise is still far from an apocalyptic scenario

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Re: After AI takes everything

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Post by hurtigioll »

drudolph914 wrote: post #44
hurtigioll wrote: post #20

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after the implementation was done, have you asked the model again, in a fresh context window, to review the code against the specification?

so much to unpack here and almost poetic that you say this first is that the model will write out that it “thought” and “double checked” it’s output Second, this was in a fresh context window of the latest model (that isn’t fable b/c we can’t use for reasons beyond this thread), and it was on it’s second highest thinking mode. I shouldn’t have to double check something that it claimed to have burned more tokens on to…

I guess the code you write always works correctly whem you submit the PR, and code reviews don't find real problems in it. it makes sense then to have the exact same bar when using LLMs

Re: After AI takes everything

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Post by CuriouslyC »

embedding-shape wrote: post #65
CuriouslyC wrote: post #53

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People in China think AI will be used for good because China has a track record of protecting workers from the fallout of automation (see courts ruling people can't be wholesale replaced with AI), and they view the ridiculous surveillance less negatively because the party delivers low crime and rapidly improving economic circumstances.

Hope you don't mind me asking, is this perspective and view built from living in China and speaking with Chinese individuals? Just curious about the source of this understanding you have.

I worked in Taiwan for a while on defense related stuff.

Re: After AI takes everything

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Post by pydry »

rybosworld wrote: post #14
pydry wrote: post #4

I've started to realize after poring over pull requests which are, frankly, slop that the devs who are the most bullish on AI are the ones who raise those PRs and don't recognize the slop. AI for sure is giving all of them existential crises but I'm not sure most of them ever really belonged in the industry in the first place. I give it 9-12 months before they start to realize that acknowledgement of this existential…

I think it's likely that what you call slop is more often than not "good enough". One thing a lot of developers aim for in their code, beyond "it does what it is meant to", is something along the lines of elegance (that's my word for it, there may be a better one). With AI generated code there is no time for elegance. It will happily recreate the same function in several different places for no reason. And that reall…

So you have high slop tolerance.

This is fine, it just means that there's very little point if you're an IC.

Re: After AI takes everything

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Post by bayarearefugee »

torginus wrote: post #91
bayarearefugee wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Btw, its insane to think imo that a few years from now theres going to be no jobs - AI isnt going to cook food or stack bricks or any number of manual processes We're all really excited to do those mostly minimum wage jobs. Especially given how much competition there will be for them when the currently non-minimum-wage jobs disappear.

Why would those jobs be minimum wage? Skilled trades often pay as well or better than most desk jobs - which might be a downgrade for a lot of folks here, but the maximalist AI disruption premise is still far from an apocalyptic scenario

Not all of them are minimum wage now, but even for the ones that currently aren't how do you think their wages will be impacted by the sea of currently-white-color workers retraining into their markets to escape the white-collar employment apocalypse?

Even the "AI proof" jobs are going to get hit hard in multiple directions -- first, there will be more supply of the labor they perform as people scramble to transition to "safe jobs", second there will be less demand for their services because the people undergoing the transition aren't going to have disposable income to spend on the services they provide.

If the permanent underclass thing comes true, none of us who don't already own lots of assets are escaping it.

Re: After AI takes everything

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Post by HardCodedBias »

The author was so close.

"This gives us the first corollary of end-state thinking — cold but honest: every step that sits between intent and implementation will, by default, disappear."

This is likely correct.

But the author withdraws into thousands of words afterwards about the importance of gatekeeping using their current skills.

I think that is wrong. YMMV.

Re: After AI takes everything

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Post by idle_zealot »

paul7986 wrote: post #82
idle_zealot wrote: post #79

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I don't think a private company could possibly swing that, but that general arrangement would be welcome as part of a copyright reform package. Like the mandatory licensing we did for song covers back when we cared more about pretending that copyright was meant to balance art and profits. You want to train on something? Fine, no need to negotiate 1,000,000,000 licenses, that would be impossible. Just check the regist…

And thinking about all our daily conversations that include data about businesses we patronize.. that is data / content AI can use too. Content we should be paid for alongside our pics, songs, videos and any human content we create that helps AI stay relevant!

It sounds to me like you're just describing the fact that these models are only trainable in the context of a functioning society, and are capturing that value. It's more than just the snippets of public conversation and paper trails, and it would be a problem in and of itself to try to account for what every person is owed in exchange for the marginal value they contribute. In other words, you're reinventing taxation and redistributive policies through the lenses of data proprietorship.

Re: After AI takes everything

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Post by hollerith »

rayiner wrote: post #83
yacin wrote: post #70

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how will you afford that baby, or picnic, or trip to the ocean?

Easily. People in my dad’s village in Bangladesh have those things.

OK, but by hypothesis the AIs are in control. Now suppose they want to switch to a more efficient kind of data center that would corrode quickly in the presence of oxygen, so they remove all the oxygen from the atmosphere.

Or they disassemble the rocky planets to make a Dyson sphere.

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