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Re: After AI takes everything

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Post by visarga »

swader999 wrote: post #39
visarga wrote: post #25

I have my own take on what is ours and can never be taken away by AI. When a task is initiated, it starts from a need, from a specific context. To work it out the AI needs to continuously interact with the context, and get feedback from it. At the end gains, losses, risks and costs sink back in the context. The context is you, the person who prompts, your team or company. It is indexical and relational. It is maximal…

I agree with all that but the problem is what others will pay for. There might be niche artisans that survive but most of it might go the way of wallmart.

Yes, AI gives me superpowers but my competitors get it too. True, we are in a race to re-differentiate now. Companies too, imitation of anything we put out is approaching a very low cost.

Re: After AI takes everything

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Post by Fraterkes »

I, everyone here, has read all these discussions a thousand times now. I've tried to have a more nuanced view, I understand the excitement and I think there can be real value in automation being accessible to everyone.

What matters to me is, I like programming and making things, and I'm okay at it. I can learn to enjoy, and get good at, other work (I hope). Close a fairly brief chapter of my life where I felt some certainty about what I wanted to do for the coming decades. But it's maddening to not have any idea if I will need to.

Here's my point: it may not be bad to live in a future world were ai and llm's are very prevelant, ordinary technology. But I think living in the now, while that world is (slowly) being born, can get to be pretty bad.

Re: After AI takes everything

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Post by paul7986 »

agentultra wrote: post #27

Again, they didn’t smash the machines because they hated the technology or wanted everyone to be making lace by hand. They were arguing for basic human rights in the workplace. Things like child labour were still super common and were among the practices the Luddites wanted to abolish. Along with the workhouses they wanted to replace with protection for workers (they didn’t have the word for it but they wanted a soci…

If AI was paying for us all the content we create daily just by living, humans would love it. It would be a cyclical relationship where AI thrives off all the daily content all humans create daily and AI pays us for the privilege to thrive off of us (our content).

I saw Trump saying AI companies are discussing offering Americans stock in AI companies so that's one way where the narrative changes and a few days I thought of one way how AI can pay all of us for our content ..posted quick thoughts on my Substack... https://ryanspahn.substack.com/p/ai-to-pay-for-all-americans...

Overall, AI is irrelevant without us and it needs to pay us to keep it relevant I think! It can not continue to be a bloodsucker!

Re: After AI takes everything

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Post by bayarearefugee »

torginus wrote: post #57

Btw, its insane to think imo that a few years from now theres going to be no jobs - AI isnt going to cook food or stack bricks or any number of manual processes - in fact I'd be very happy if AI could just fix software - basically heaps upon heaps of software is just built wrong fundamentally (operating systems, just to give one huge example), and AI productivity could give us a chance to try again and build things t…

> Btw, its insane to think imo that a few years from now theres going to be no jobs - AI isnt going to cook food or stack bricks or any number of manual processes

We're all really excited to do those mostly minimum wage jobs. Especially given how much competition there will be for them when the currently non-minimum-wage jobs disappear.

Re: After AI takes everything

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Post by embedding-shape »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #53
embedding-shape wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the vibe is generally same with AI too. If people believe AI will genuinely be used for good (like many in China seem to think, I get the feeling) then the public at large seems fine with industry focusing on it. But when people have the feeling or even expectation that it'll be used for things like increasing the wealth/wage/inequality gap, control of the masses, automated widespread surveillance and more, y…

People in China think AI will be used for good because China has a track record of protecting workers from the fallout of automation (see courts ruling people can't be wholesale replaced with AI), and they view the ridiculous surveillance less negatively because the party delivers low crime and rapidly improving economic circumstances.

Hope you don't mind me asking, is this perspective and view built from living in China and speaking with Chinese individuals? Just curious about the source of this understanding you have.

Re: After AI takes everything

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Post by functionmouse »

paulhebert wrote: post #56
bregma wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get used to it: I think we're going to be pretending to predict the future for many years to come.

I think we’ll stop predicting the future soon. By the end of this year or next, the year after at the very latest.

i think ur rite

Re: After AI takes everything

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Post by embedding-shape »

paul7986 wrote: post #63
agentultra wrote: post #27

Again, they didn’t smash the machines because they hated the technology or wanted everyone to be making lace by hand. They were arguing for basic human rights in the workplace. Things like child labour were still super common and were among the practices the Luddites wanted to abolish. Along with the workhouses they wanted to replace with protection for workers (they didn’t have the word for it but they wanted a soci…

If AI was paying for us all the content we create daily just by living, humans would love it. It would be a cyclical relationship where AI thrives off all the daily content all humans create daily and AI pays us for the privilege to thrive off of us (our content). I saw Trump saying AI companies are discussing offering Americans stock in AI companies so that's one way where the narrative changes and a few days I thou…

> If AI was paying for us all the content we create daily just by living, humans would love it. It would be a cyclical relationship where AI thrives off all the daily content all humans create daily and AI pays us for the privilege to thrive off of us (our content).

I think you're on to something. Imagine OpenAI and Anthropic suddenly started funding millions of artists worldwide, basically "we pay monthly rent and food, you get to create what you want, we get rights to train on your output while you retain ownership", wonder how many would actually agree to that?

Re: After AI takes everything

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Post by Windchaser »

hurtigioll wrote: post #17
stavros wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I enjoyed the fact that AI was used to deliver the anti-AI message.

that fewer people will read because it spends pages saying what could be paragraphs

Yeah, I got through about 2/3 of it, then called it quits.

I wonder if the author tried to sit down and read the whole post, from beginning to end in one go? The AI-written posts feel sludgy, like plain oatmeal that's been cooked too long, homogenous and bland.

Re: After AI takes everything

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Post by brap »

>So: after AI takes everything, what remains is not some second-best refuge — it is the place where the sense of value was always meant to live. AI is a receding tide. It washes away all the external anchors we carelessly threw out over the years — title, output, the feeling of being needed — and forces us to swim back to the one center that the tide cannot reach.

Yeah for sure and that’s great and all but I think what they were really asking is how they’ll feed their kids

Re: After AI takes everything

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Post by yacin »

rayiner wrote: post #52

AI can’t take away babies, picnics with your spouse, or dipping your toes into the ocean. If it replaces work, then great, that’s the stuff we didn’t need to do anyway.

how will you afford that baby, or picnic, or trip to the ocean?
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