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BYD is bringing its 5-min 'Flash' electric car charging to Canada

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Re: BYD is bringing its 5-min 'Flash' electric car charging to Canada

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You see them occasionally in southern California with Mexican plates

There you go, so someone turn that into a frictionless service Every year you just exchange the car/lease/plate whatever Once enough people drive $5000 electric cars they will insist politicians allow them officially Detroit is doomed anyway once 9 out of 10 workers is replaced with "AI" controlled bots

> Detroit is doomed anyway once 9 out of 10 workers is replaced with "AI" controlled bots

As a non-American, I'd kinda assumed Detroit's car industry was already long-gone. Wasn't its industrial decline the inspiration for a bunch of dystopian films in the 80s and 90s?

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A million? 100M only gets you an ev advertisement on the Whitehouse lawn. It will need to be something more like Saudi Arabia's investment in ivanka, i mean the affinity group. 25M a year to his son in law gets your phone calls answered when you feel like Iran is acting up too much. I am not as optimistic. If that doesn't happen the only candidate likely to let china do as they wilt is aoc. Vance would happily start…

> Rubio/newsome/shapiro etc will all keep the full pressure of all allies in them, potentially kicking them out of places they already sell. I sincerely doubt the US is capable of this. Trump has lit your soft power on fire. Trying to get people to give up a superior and cheaper product is an extremely large ask.

It is less about the us being capable of it, than the us getting out of the way. Japan, India, and SK all have vested interests in preventing further concentration of Chinese mercantilist power. Saying an establishment us president would focus the fury and might of allies is a bit outdated I agree. SK survived a coup, Piland is working on it. Hungary might even pull it off. Maybe the us will right the ship as well vs overcorrect into a different sort of populist autocrat. But even then as you say; That soft power went up in flames.

Re: BYD is bringing its 5-min 'Flash' electric car charging to Canada

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Both countries have been accusing each other of stealing technologies since forever, nothing here is new. No tables have been turned, unless you've been sleeping under a rock for the last three decades.

In the context of automotive technology, the tables have absolutely turned. There was nobody anywhere interested in Chinese automotive technology 10 years ago. What company has better mass market battery technology than BYD? Who else has megawatt fast charging? BYD sells more vehicles globally than Honda. I think that concept would have been unthinkable to the general public not very long ago.

> In the context of automotive technology

Ah, you're talking exclusively about cars? Still don't see the irony, but I guess the new claim you make isn't as outlandish as your initial claim.

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Both countries have been accusing each other of stealing technologies since forever, nothing here is new. No tables have been turned, unless you've been sleeping under a rock for the last three decades.

Western media has been overwhelmingly one sided regarding state led IP theft for the last three decades. China steals western IP has been the story, and it hasn't been even a little balanced until reading this.

Of course national media is biased, that's why you read news from multiple countries so you don't end up in such echo-chambers. I'm assuming we're talking about reality here, not "as reported by US media", but I guess if it's the latter, I could see how some Americans thinks it is now irony.

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That was the irony, that the US accuses China of stealing IP with the assumption that US IP is superior. Now the tables have turned and China is the country with the superior IP.

China has better execution. China's aviation, chip, space, and military tech are weaker than those of the West.

Having the best tech do not often result in the most sales.

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> They have won the current round of foreign relations. Which is to say Trump failed at the current round of propaganda. If he had won this round you would excuse all those things. Being a friend of liberal western democracies is not a requirement for trade. However it does influence how trade happens. >restrict trade though, and the US no longer meets it... Again, the US lost the current round of propaganda.

> Which is to say Trump failed at the current round of propaganda. No, it really isn't. "Propaganda" merely refers to communication intended to influence. Trump failed when it came down to actual actions, not just communication. And when he failed in communication it was actual diplomacy meant to come to agreements, not merely the words meant to influence minds. Propaganda is the least of the USes problems right now.

Trumps actions made Chinese propaganda much easier. They are a direct cause of losing the propaganda war.

The US has bigger problems, but the propaganda is important since it influences the future.

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> there's exactly one decent US-owned EV on the market, the Chevrolet Bolt. I drive a Chevrolet Blazer EV. Test drove a Equinox EV as well. There is the silverado EV as well. Chrysler and Ford are mostly working on plug in hybrids which is 90% of the advantages of an EV for those who charge at home (if people will is debated). Which is to say the big-3 car makers all have EV or close enough EV cars and are making mor…

A major problem is that dealers hate carrying and selling EVs. If you want to get these vehicles you either have to special order them or you have to buy used. I think a big portion of why Tesla is so prominent is because it's relatively easy to get a Tesla almost anywhere. *edit* I'm out of date. It looks like the dealers around me are all stocking EVs now.

I only know that the Chevy dealer near me has several EVs on the lot. I have no idea about elsewhere though.

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Seems like a good plan. Canada has the third largest hydroelectric power production in the world, and quite a bit of nuclear, so let's use it properly. People talk about transmission infrastructure like it's difficult, but we're the ones who made the ~5,000 KM HVDC system that feeds the northern US from James Bay! I don't see why we can't quickly electrify transportation, it's the kind of project Canada seems to be p…

I mean, this is hiding a lot of geographic reality. You're using the word Canada pretty broadly here, when the reality is that the left-half of the country past Ontario (or arguably Quebec) is pretty shit in this regard. Quebec has that hydroelectric power production. And their power grid is cheap and pretty clean. And their government and populace is highly pro-EV and yeah, it's great. Ontario a bit second to that b…

Sure, but nearly half the population of Canada west of Ontario is in BC (5.0M out of 11.8M west of Ontario), and 92% of BC's electric generation comes from hydro (89%) and wind (3%). I like these numbers.

https://www.cer-rec.gc.ca/en/data-analysis/energy-markets/pr...

The bulk of the rest of the west's population is Alberta and they generate most of their electricity from natural gas. That province is Canada's sore spot from an emissions and CO2 perspective.

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As an American, I'm going to be really sad when we miss this transition. Maybe there's still time?

Fellow American here, I hope we do. Not because electric cars are any worse than combustion cars - they are better. But they're still cars. Electrifying them is a bandaid on the gaping wound that is our transportation infrastructure. Ideally missing out on the electrification of cars dethrones the car as the only way most people get around.

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That’s the exact model they follow in Brasil - they ship over the car without seats or a steering wheel, install them in Brazil with a Chinese labour force, declare it Brazilian made, pay no tariffs on the parts or the final vehicle. There’s an aspirational goal of at least 50% Brazilian parts, but its currently 0%.

Ban them. Beyond cars is the fact that somehow its ok to buy unregulated chinese made products following no safety standards of the EU on temu, shein, aliexpress etc allowing them to skip all the costs of producing safe consumer goods in the EU. Ban all of them or put a 1000% tariff on all of the items. To long the EU has been followed the financial interests of German industry and their dealings in China. Since that…

The current status quo is that the populace wants these products so badly that current rules that are supposedly about safety simply don't get enforced.

A ban would be even less effectve it doesn't come with any of the "good marketing" that safety rules and regulations do so there would be even less political will to support enforcement.

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