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BYD is bringing its 5-min 'Flash' electric car charging to Canada

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Re: BYD is bringing its 5-min 'Flash' electric car charging to Canada

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Post by bluGill »

gpm wrote: post #66
bluGill wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The leaders there know that China isn't exactly a friend of liberal western democracy. They have won the current round of propoganda, but that doesn't mean they are anyone's friend either.

> They have won the current round of propoganda No, they have won the current round of foreign relations . Threats to invade numerous allies. Blatant war crimes like murdering random people on boats. Violating established and signed trade deals left right and centre. Openly soliciting and accepting bribes. Kidnapping foreign countries citizens and holding them in inhumane camps. None of this is a matter of "propagand…

> They have won the current round of foreign relations.

Which is to say Trump failed at the current round of propaganda. If he had won this round you would excuse all those things.

Being a friend of liberal western democracies is not a requirement for trade. However it does influence how trade happens.

>restrict trade though, and the US no longer meets it...

Again, the US lost the current round of propaganda.

Re: BYD is bringing its 5-min 'Flash' electric car charging to Canada

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Post by christkv »

madaxe_again wrote: post #52
christkv wrote: post #17

I'm against BYD factories unless car parts shipped from china are not heavily tariffed. You don't want to allow them to ship entire kits from china to final assemble in Europe. You want them to buy from providers in Europe. Otherwise I'm in favor of massive tariffs on their cars to avoid dumping.

That’s the exact model they follow in Brasil - they ship over the car without seats or a steering wheel, install them in Brazil with a Chinese labour force, declare it Brazilian made, pay no tariffs on the parts or the final vehicle. There’s an aspirational goal of at least 50% Brazilian parts, but its currently 0%.

Ban them. Beyond cars is the fact that somehow its ok to buy unregulated chinese made products following no safety standards of the EU on temu, shein, aliexpress etc allowing them to skip all the costs of producing safe consumer goods in the EU. Ban all of them or put a 1000% tariff on all of the items. To long the EU has been followed the financial interests of German industry and their dealings in China. Since that phase is over we should treat China as the hostile power it is and force cuts to trade. Not a single Euro more in trade in than export to China.

Re: BYD is bringing its 5-min 'Flash' electric car charging to Canada

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Post by gpm »

giarc wrote: post #60
pjc50 wrote: post #58

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Long-term reviews are available: https://driveauthority.com/is-byd-reliable-after-5-years/ https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/byd/dolphin-surf/long-t... https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/byd/atto-3/long-term-re... They're now quite popular in the UK, along with Jaecoo, although not a huge number of them are pure-EV. Since I have been in the market for a car recently, I've been carspotting to see what's actually…

Canadians also hate seagulls, so I wonder if they will do the same (although I'm not sure the Seagull was intended to come to Canada).

Re: The dead comment wondering why when Canadians largely don't live near the sea.

Seagulls, despite the name, aren't restricted to the sea. We have tons of them far from the sea (as well as on our rather large coasts).

Re: BYD is bringing its 5-min 'Flash' electric car charging to Canada

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Post by Erem »

embedding-shape wrote: post #64
Grombobulous wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was the irony, that the US accuses China of stealing IP with the assumption that US IP is superior. Now the tables have turned and China is the country with the superior IP.

Both countries have been accusing each other of stealing technologies since forever, nothing here is new. No tables have been turned, unless you've been sleeping under a rock for the last three decades.

Western media has been overwhelmingly one sided regarding state led IP theft for the last three decades. China steals western IP has been the story, and it hasn't been even a little balanced until reading this.

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Post by jannyfer »

mekdoonggi wrote: post #33
soco wrote: post #26

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So do those batteries support fast charging AND fast discharging?

Yes. IIRC they are the same batteries in the cars.

Oh then that's like the battery swap idea but without the swapping!

Re: BYD is bringing its 5-min 'Flash' electric car charging to Canada

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Post by gpm »

bluGill wrote: post #71
gpm wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They have won the current round of propoganda No, they have won the current round of foreign relations . Threats to invade numerous allies. Blatant war crimes like murdering random people on boats. Violating established and signed trade deals left right and centre. Openly soliciting and accepting bribes. Kidnapping foreign countries citizens and holding them in inhumane camps. None of this is a matter of "propagand…

> They have won the current round of foreign relations. Which is to say Trump failed at the current round of propaganda. If he had won this round you would excuse all those things. Being a friend of liberal western democracies is not a requirement for trade. However it does influence how trade happens. >restrict trade though, and the US no longer meets it... Again, the US lost the current round of propaganda.

> Which is to say Trump failed at the current round of propaganda.

No, it really isn't. "Propaganda" merely refers to communication intended to influence. Trump failed when it came down to actual actions, not just communication. And when he failed in communication it was actual diplomacy meant to come to agreements, not merely the words meant to influence minds.

Propaganda is the least of the USes problems right now.

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Post by zulux »

Grombobulous wrote: post #59
embedding-shape wrote: post #43

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> Isn’t it ironic? Don’t ya think? Why is that ironic? The US talks about stealing/preventing others from stealing stuff from them too, not sure why this would be surprising.

That was the irony, that the US accuses China of stealing IP with the assumption that US IP is superior. Now the tables have turned and China is the country with the superior IP.

China has better execution.

China's aviation, chip, space, and military tech are weaker than those of the West.

Re: BYD is bringing its 5-min 'Flash' electric car charging to Canada

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Post by yabones »

Seems like a good plan. Canada has the third largest hydroelectric power production in the world, and quite a bit of nuclear, so let's use it properly. People talk about transmission infrastructure like it's difficult, but we're the ones who made the ~5,000 KM HVDC system that feeds the northern US from James Bay! I don't see why we can't quickly electrify transportation, it's the kind of project Canada seems to be pretty good at.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_%E2%80%93_New_England_T...

Re: BYD is bringing its 5-min 'Flash' electric car charging to Canada

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Post by Grombobulous »

embedding-shape wrote: post #64
Grombobulous wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was the irony, that the US accuses China of stealing IP with the assumption that US IP is superior. Now the tables have turned and China is the country with the superior IP.

Both countries have been accusing each other of stealing technologies since forever, nothing here is new. No tables have been turned, unless you've been sleeping under a rock for the last three decades.

In the context of automotive technology, the tables have absolutely turned. There was nobody anywhere interested in Chinese automotive technology 10 years ago.

What company has better mass market battery technology than BYD? Who else has megawatt fast charging?

BYD sells more vehicles globally than Honda. I think that concept would have been unthinkable to the general public not very long ago.

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