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FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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It was a terrible scattered movie, but they want Elysium. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elysium_(film)

No, Elysium still had all the desperate poor people. That's not the end goal.

They want the future setting of Unanimity in Cloud Atlas. Even that might be too much of an underclass.

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I expect the FCC to adopt this rule, and I also expect it to be challenged in court, on the basis that there are many other approaches to fighting spam calls that the FCC has not tried, but are much less intrusive.

I hope you're right. I am not informed - is this typically how these decisions get challenged?

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No more anonymous driving, thanks to Flock. Soon, no more anonymous calls, thanks to the FCC. Your bank already knows everything about you; why not your operating system, too? Soon your ISP will only let you online if your OS sends them the "right" information: your government ID. We should also abolish cash while we're at it. The government needs to know every purchase you've ever made, no exceptions. Of course, the…

Flock is being rejected in a number of cities, thanks to citizens.

Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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I wonder what exactly are they hoping to achieve then? Anything that can be filled out in 1 minute in a taxi can be spoofed with an extra 30 seconds on the dark net buying dark IDs. So this does less than zero for crime, actually encourages more of it, while doing what exactly? It's madness.

Who says anything about crime? the goal is just so they can associate phone numbers with id cards in some fashion right? If they want to know what tourists are posting about their country that's good enough.

"Law enforcement" and national security is given as the verbatim headline justification when you reference Australia's Communication and Media Authority[] for rules on ID collection.

  Carriers and carriage service providers (CSPs) must help law enforcement and national security agencies.

  ...

  You must verify a customer's identity before you activate a prepaid mobile phone service. You can do this when the customer buys the service or when they try to activate it. The Determination on identity checks for prepaid mobiles lists the ways you can check a customer's identity.
Unfortunately I can't dig up the original debate from 1997 on the Telecommunications Act when the requirement appears to have been introduced. Would be shocked if it did not include similar language from the representatives shilling the requirement, though.

[] https://www.acma.gov.au/support-law-enforcement-and-security...

Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

#96

No more anonymous driving, thanks to Flock. Soon, no more anonymous calls, thanks to the FCC. Your bank already knows everything about you; why not your operating system, too? Soon your ISP will only let you online if your OS sends them the "right" information: your government ID. We should also abolish cash while we're at it. The government needs to know every purchase you've ever made, no exceptions. Of course, the…

Can even go to the bodega on foot anonymously, too many of my neighbors have ring cameras pointed at the street.

Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

#97

No more anonymous driving, thanks to Flock. Soon, no more anonymous calls, thanks to the FCC. Your bank already knows everything about you; why not your operating system, too? Soon your ISP will only let you online if your OS sends them the "right" information: your government ID. We should also abolish cash while we're at it. The government needs to know every purchase you've ever made, no exceptions. Of course, the…

Every step of the way enabled by useful idiots who think that because each incremental step applies more/cheaper government violence to some class of petty deviants they don't like that it is worth doing even if the overall trajectory created by the sum total of the steps is bad. Selfish jerks.

Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

#98

Here's the link to submit a comment to the FCC: https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/filings/express Ran a quick search and found a whole bunch of news articles, but nobody includes info that makes it easy to route your comment. Feels like the beginning of Hitchhiker's Guide: > It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying Beware of the Leopard.

Thank you

Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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Fundamentally un-American. That being said, many countries across the world already do this to eliminate burner phones. And many messaging apps require a phone number anyways so this basically locks down anonymous messaging through a phone.

Well - it's not exactly a surprise that all these non-American countries engage in un-American practices. It's much more concerning when said practices are undertaken by the U.S. Just because other countries do something isn't a justification to bring the practice into the U.S. despite that being a justification used with increasing prevalence these days.

>Just because other countries do something isn't a justification to bring the practice into the U.S.

I need to know whether these other countries are rich western europe before I know whether to agree with you or to cook up some snide rebuttal.

Joking, obviously. And by "joking" I mean mocking a specific type of person and set of beliefs that is who is a) bad b) too common around here.

Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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post #12

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You can just walk in there with cash and walk out with a fully activated SIM without them asking for ID?

Correct

Yes, I recall doing that. I'm a foreigner but I was in the US on vacation. Went to T-Mobile, so easy to get a SIM card.
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