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Re: Volkswagen blocks Home Assistant by requiring client assertion

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Post by rootusrootus »

mrweasel wrote: post #66
haritha-j wrote: post #18

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> Why are they shooting them selves in the feet? Because people will still buy their cars. The average Joe has very little regard for their privacy. We've been trained to be numb. > Is this really a tangible income stream? Yep. > Is it really increasing security? Nope.

How is this a tangible income stream? I suspect that the amount of customers willing to pay for some weird API access or We Connect offering is rather limited. It would have to be bundled into some other solution, which again I'd guess have a limited customer base. I have VW and I suppose We Connect, there's not a single thing that's worth paying for, not when you have CarPlay and Android Auto (or whatever that's cal…

> I suspect that the amount of customers willing to pay for some weird API access or We Connect offering is rather limited

I tend to agree. But the counterpoint is Tesla. They charge for API access, and there are several businesses that exist to make that data available to customers. I don’t know how valuable it really is, but it’s working. My wife would pay Ford for the level of data she was getting from TeslaFi but instead she gives it to MileIQ. It’s not huge but that adds up.

Re: Volkswagen blocks Home Assistant by requiring client assertion

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Post by darkwater »

eloycoto wrote: post #69
darkwater wrote: post #53

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But Volvo does not have cheap models with a reasonable range, unfortunately. I'm seeing right now on their Spain's website 40k EUR for a single motor EX30 with 337km WLTP which is ridiculous

EX30 in Spain starts at 29K small battery version, and 36 the large battery version. The dealerships make a huge discounts to be honest. I was dealing with this 6 weeks ago!

Yeah this surprised me. 40k is for a vehicle ready to buy immediately from their website. At the same time they have an ongoing campaign for 29k for a financed EX30 + charger installation.

But I hate to deal with car dealerships, they are the worse kind of salespeople out there, trying to sell you what they need to sell rather what you need to buy. You need to go there with a very, very well informed opinion about it. But then they will play the discounts card...

Re: Volkswagen blocks Home Assistant by requiring client assertion

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Post by darkwater »

connicpu wrote: post #37
darkwater wrote: post #9

/me scratches VAG cars from a possible new EV purchase. I hate Elon as much as the next guy, but Tesla is still playing the API game way better than the rest of the pack (even with the "not so new" Tesla Fleet API change)

Volvo is also doing pretty good with offering an official API

And, does the Volvo community have something like TeslaMate built upon the API? It's not sine qua non factor but it will move the scale a LOT in favor of a brand.

Re: Volkswagen blocks Home Assistant by requiring client assertion

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Post by Hikikomori »

neya wrote: post #39
charcircuit wrote: post #32

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Just because the Nsdap party created something that doesn't mean you can automatically treat it is bad. That is prejudice. Something bad happening decades and decades after the party's dissolution is not going to be directly related. It is a reach to think unsupported third party apps breaking is related.

While I agree with you in principle, I don't think this is followed equally. Tesla's are still being vandalized to date, though. Selective outrage is a dangerous thing.

Musk is still a nazi, just stopped heiling publicly for now.

Re: Volkswagen blocks Home Assistant by requiring client assertion

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Post by lII1lIlI11ll »

mschuster91 wrote: post #63
joe_mamba wrote: post #29

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The question is why doesn't Germany have any young upstart auto companies when the US and China do? The question being the rhetorical kind.

Access to capital, mostly. The US has always been willing to grant hefty amounts of taxpayer money to startups, something culturally foreign to Germany (startups are risky, Germans don't want taxpayer money to be spent on risky adventures that might bring losses) and the US also has dozens of billions of dollars a month in 401k pension savings making their way into the asset markets. And China, well, it's a dictators…

> The US has always been willing to grant hefty amounts of taxpayer money to startups

Care to elaborate? I was under impression that absolute majority of startups in US are fully funded by a (private) venture capital. There are (were?) some exceptions like tax reductions on "green" projects, but they were not restricted to startups/small companies in any way.

Re: Volkswagen blocks Home Assistant by requiring client assertion

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Post by kuizu »

Wasn't the EU Data Act (https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/data-act) put in place to exactly prevent these kind of scenarios (Article 4 and 5)?

"where the user cannot directly access the data from the connected product or related service, the data holder must make the readily available data and necessary metadata accessible to the user without undue delay, in the same quality as available to the data holder, easily, securely, free of charge, in a structured, commonly used, machine-readable format, and continuously/in real time where relevant and technically feasible."

There is even special EU guidance for vehicle data for it: https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/library/guidance-ve...

Re: Volkswagen blocks Home Assistant by requiring client assertion

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kuizu wrote: post #96

Wasn't the EU Data Act ( https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/data-act ) put in place to exactly prevent these kind of scenarios (Article 4 and 5)? "where the user cannot directly access the data from the connected product or related service, the data holder must make the readily available data and necessary metadata accessible to the user without undue delay, in the same quality as available to the data…

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Re: Volkswagen blocks Home Assistant by requiring client assertion

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Post by close04 »

charcircuit wrote: post #41
close04 wrote: post #28

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> T&C treated like "local" laws. so even if T&C does not make sense, usually courts are in favour of enforcing them. unless some severe contradiction with constitution or alike It's not a "law", it's always under the law like any contract. And a court will not enforce illegal terms unless something very shady is afoot. The law always takes precedence , Even "lowly" laws, not just the constitution. In case of conflict…

That's how local laws work. The higher jurisdiction always takes precedence over the more local one.

I'm saying that T&Cs are not like any kind of law but like a contract and they are not treated like "local law" in court.

Laws work like that because there's a hierarchy in the legal system too but that's about it for commonality.

Re: Volkswagen blocks Home Assistant by requiring client assertion

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Post by bluGill »

qmarchi wrote: post #73
kotaKat wrote: post #61

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Volvo also has the fully mandatory requirement of a consumer Google Account to use the vehicle now due to how tightly integrated Google Automotive is.

You can still use the infotainment without signing into a Google Account. The only thing that's locked out is the Play Store and 3rd party apps (which you need the play store to download). Even Google Maps is usable without an account.

Can you use android auto? For the normal person your phone is a better place to get all that anyway. The few people driving as a full time job will find the cars built in stuff better but for most your phone had everything the rest of the time so you want to use that.
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