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Re: BBEdit 16

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Post by gofreddygo »

pokstad wrote: post #26
kennywinker wrote: post #19

In 1998 bbedit 5.0 cost $120 usd. Adjusted for inflation that would be about $245 usd. Today an individual license costs $60. Wild how software pricing and sales models have changed, and good on bare bones for staying away from subscription pricing.

The software world is different today. People expect you to release security updates as vulnerabilities are discovered. They expect you to fix your application so that it works on the newest macOS that deprecated and broke the old APIs you used (or switch architectures). We expect continuous maintenance for a fixed price. I wish Textmate had a yearly charge to keep their team running instead of the one time purchase…

Software today is worse in every possible way. Subscription solicitation is one such dimension.

BBEdit, Sublime et al. are beacons of what software quality, distribution and pricing ought to be.

three quarters of the saas industry is built around such made-up needs. Not much to be proud of there with a handful of exceptions.

as for price, it feels 100% fair to bleed your enterprise customers to subsidize individual customers.

Re: BBEdit 16

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Post by asyncze »

gofreddygo wrote: post #91
pokstad wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The software world is different today. People expect you to release security updates as vulnerabilities are discovered. They expect you to fix your application so that it works on the newest macOS that deprecated and broke the old APIs you used (or switch architectures). We expect continuous maintenance for a fixed price. I wish Textmate had a yearly charge to keep their team running instead of the one time purchase…

Software today is worse in every possible way. Subscription solicitation is one such dimension. BBEdit, Sublime et al. are beacons of what software quality, distribution and pricing ought to be. three quarters of the saas industry is built around such made-up needs. Not much to be proud of there with a handful of exceptions. as for price, it feels 100% fair to bleed your enterprise customers to subsidize individual c…

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Re: BBEdit 16

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Post by hackermanai »

krackers wrote: post #81
simondotau wrote: post #69

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The built-in TextEdit (in plain text mode) is also a perfectly cromulent minimum viable text editor.

I wonder if anyone has taken the source of TextEdit [1] and added some minor niceties to just make it slightly more convenient for text editing (like adding line numbers). [1] https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/samplecode/TextE...

Not a textedit fork, but I am building a minimal text editor with niceties based on scintilla. So performance wise on par with Notepad++ et al.

Re: BBEdit 16

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Post by f30e3dfed1c9 »

"Added a command to the View menu: 'Gather Untitled Documents'. This will collect all untitled (never saved) documents into the active window, removing them from other windows (and possibly closing those windows in the process)."

Honestly, this alone might be worth the upgrade price. I use BBEdit all day every day, and untitled docs tend to proliferate. I use the scratchpad a lot but still end up with lots of untitled docs.

Re: BBEdit 16

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Post by fastforwardius »

MiddleEndian wrote: post #75
nofunsir wrote: post #54

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You're making this up to justify subscription model guilt. Nobody (besides those on here) EXPECTS this. In fact, most would rather live with the risks than deal with subscription model, let alone the headaches of updating and it breaking everything (i.e. causing a chain reaction that you have to update EVERYTHING in order to fix a small non-issue). I, in fact, do NOT want continuous maintenance. Ever. I will literall…

I'm with you. I also hate automatic updates. Times when I want my software to behave differently from the day before without me requesting it: Zero. It puts the incentives on the wrong spot too. They are no longer incentivized to make shit appealing enough to upgrade.

MeThree.

But I think it's not the case incentives are wrong but the reality of business - what do you do when things are feature complete in all the ways that matter?

Re: BBEdit 16

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Post by darkteflon »

So, I’ve used BBEdit briefly in the past, and I’m familiar with its stellar reputation. But I’m confused by some of the comments here. Are people mainly using it in place of something like Obsidian? Vim? Emacs? VS Code? Notes? It doesn’t look like it would make for a great IDE but seems to have very powerful text transformation abilities. If I work in VS Code and use Obsidian for notes, is there still a place for something like this? What kinds of workflows are people using it for?

Re: BBEdit 16

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Post by coldtea »

iknowstuff wrote: post #86
MiddleEndian wrote: post #76

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Mainstream behavior doesn't necessarily mean what people want. Many try and fail to stop Windows updates, for instance. I would guess that the majority of the users of the TicketMaster app would rather not use it.

Hmmm I can’t think of a subscription app that truly doesn’t have a free/upfront/unupgraded alternative - its just that usually they come with quality issues or poor support, so people choose the better, subscription-based, auto-updating ones.

I can think of plenty of apps that have perfectly fine non-subscription options, and then turned subscription only.

People use them because the products were good or industry standard. They don't prefer them because subscriptions somehow magically enabled them to be better.

They already preferred them over alternatives before subscriptions. If anything, people often complain that they got shittier after the subscription was introduced, once many are onboard and captive.

And people use their subscription versions because a non-subscription version is not made available anymore. The real comparison of what users prefer wouldn't be "X subscription software vs Y non-subscription". It would be "X subscription or X non-subscription".

Re: BBEdit 16

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Post by account42 »

kennywinker wrote: post #19

In 1998 bbedit 5.0 cost $120 usd. Adjusted for inflation that would be about $245 usd. Today an individual license costs $60. Wild how software pricing and sales models have changed, and good on bare bones for staying away from subscription pricing.

It's only natural for products where the marginal cost to produce is zero to get cheaper as the market expands.

Re: BBEdit 16

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

reaperducer wrote: post #51
wlesieutre wrote: post #44

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Unfortunately Apple doesn’t allow paid updates short of releasing a whole separate app, and you can’t do upgrade discounts for current owners except via weird bundle discounts by sticking the new and old versions together as a package. So Apple is to blame for all the subscriptions.

Unfortunately Apple doesn’t allow paid updates short of releasing a whole separate app, and you can’t do upgrade discounts for current owners except via weird bundle discounts by sticking the new and old versions together as a package. So Apple is to blame for all the subscriptions. We're talking about a macOS program, where companies don't have to bother with Apple's rules to sell their software, so your comment is…

BBEdit did release through the Apple Store, for a while, but it didn’t work out.

The app is most useful, when you can point it at any file in the system, and sandboxed apps can’t see certain directories.

This resulted in an awkward “two-tiered” approach, for a short time, then BareBones just abandoned the App Store.

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