So if anyone is out there sitting in a similar position, give it a shot, you can get a better editor experience, whether you build it yourself with emacs, neovim, or use a more curated approach like helix, or zed for that matter. I mix and match Helix now with Claude Code, and it works really well. I don't want a single AI feature in my editor, only navigation, and auto complete. I'll have my AI on the side thank you ;)
No more JetBrains products for me
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Re: No more JetBrains products for me
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
> while JetBrains products are full-blown IDEs, with abilities Zed will never offer. None of those matter if they just close the IDE before it indexes. > When all of these tiny issues come together, it makes me NOT want to program. I don’t want to sit around and wait for startup times to get my ideas onto the screen. I don’t want to worry that my CPU or RAM is going to be exhausted and I am going to have to restart m…
Yes I have read that, and whatever, some people rather walk straight away, because waiting for the car to warm up takes a few minutes. I have IDE tooling experience since Borland products for MS-DOS, and plenty of programming editors as well, between PC, Amiga, Mac and UNIX clones.
If only it was this. Usually the car transmission breaks, there are random engine shutdowns, and after restart the car just doesn't function anymore. And when it actually does start, it moves so slow and consumes so much fuel that I can't justify using it. That's my experience with JetBrains IDEs.
Re: No more JetBrains products for me
#93After 10 years I still have no shortcut key to "duplicate line up" which was an eclipse feature that I loved. So I also hate jetbrains, give me my shortcut get guys!!
Cmd+d on MacOS duplicates the current line. Is that what you want?
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#94Lol, I hear developers everywhere telling me Jetbrains products are getting worse with every release. But I wonder why do they tell me and not scream at jetbrains, it's not like I can fix that as sysadmin. Stop writing blogs and telling others, start rioting in their forums!
They don't care.
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#95> I cannot for the life of me understand why it keeps re-indexing my codebase in certain circumstances. Perhaps this is some on-again off-again bug, but it comes back to bite me constantly. This is the thing that drives me insane. The most annoying part is that they haven't built a proper cross-idea way to diagnose this. How hard is it to just have a UI, or even some text log, that says "I'm reindexing because X, Y,…
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#96I swear : Good JVM settings can make Jetbrains IDEs fly with performance. Startup is way faster too. I like ZGC. And having the IDE grab more RAM immediately on startup than the default. Something like Xms=4g or however it's done. I cannot understand why Jetbrains keep the VM settings as constrained as they do. It's a big difference.
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#97Well, Zed is a text editor with some plugins, while JetBrains products are full-blown IDEs, with abilities Zed will never offer.
I don't use Zed, but do use Neovim but people make similar arguments. If I have access to a LSP and DAP, also do most of my refactoring through c tags and vim grep (or grug-far if I want to be fancy). What IDE specific features am I missing out on that can't be replicated? Being earnest here because I always screenshare with co-workers doing a variety of things and there is nothing I ever see that is impressive or ma…
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#98I had my (somewhat) breakup when they started advertising their code assistant at me. My IDE is my home. You push an advertisement at me and I get mad. I killed my subscription (with 1/2 a year left) and loaded the old version and haven't looked back. I will eventually give it up completely since new python versions aren't supported for debugging but oh well.
I had never felt betrayed by JetBrains until that moment.
Not sure if I'm missing out on much today.. but initially I despised the minimalist interface for the new UI.
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#99I don't use any crazy plugins and I hit one or more of these issues almost every day:
- Code analysis during git commit taking minutes
- 10-15 seconds for the as-you-type suggestion box to pop up, I often end up just typing the full variable name myself
- Typescript taking 10-30 seconds to refresh errors, even with the experimental tsgo rewrite
- Freezing and displaying the "dump threads" message, weirdly also lagging out my Spotify
- Easily consuming 10+ GB of memory (how?)
My daily ritual is restarting Webstorm from how much memory it leaked overnight.Many of us still use Jetbrains products because we're willing to put up with a little lag for the multitude of really useful features you get, but they need to attack performance seriously or they're going to risk losing folks.
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#100I'm not a daily user of jetbrains product, but please. If there's any engineering/developers, start to use afl/cargo fuzz or whatever your fuzzer is, and spot bottlenecks, issues. I started to write software because I was looking at the quality of the very first softwares that were being fuzzed and it opened me some doors.