The UK gets more absurd by the day. Unfortunately this is a well established part of their history to criminalize speech they find distasteful.
> well established part of their history
Any historic examples ?
Peers vote to ban pornography depicting sex acts between stepfamily members
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#92The UK gets more absurd by the day. Unfortunately this is a well established part of their history to criminalize speech they find distasteful.
> well established part of their history Any historic examples ?
- anti-social behaviour orders (ASBO)
- Public Order Act 1986
- John William Gott / Blasphemy Laws
- Public Order Offences: Using "threatening, abusive or insulting" words in public
- Lèse-majesté laws / Seditious Libel
The list is very very long.
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
> well established part of their history Any historic examples ?
- anti-social behaviour orders (ASBO) - Public Order Act 1986 - John William Gott / Blasphemy Laws - Public Order Offences: Using "threatening, abusive or insulting" words in public - Lèse-majesté laws / Seditious Libel The list is very very long.
Thank you!
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#94Some ministers had opposed the amendment and suggested the new ban would have been difficult to implement because, under the law in England and Wales, it is not illegal for adults who are step-related to engage in a sexual relationship. This is amusing to me. Legal to do, but not legal to film.
There are several edge cases like this in the UK. It's obviously not legal for say, me, a middle aged man, to possess a photograph of some 17 year old girl with her tits out. Right? Except well... wait no, because what if I have a photo of my middle aged wife shortly after we first met, so the photo shows a 17 year old girl with her tits out, but the person is my wife, who is like "Yeah, remember when I had long hair…
The double edge of the UK version of Roman Law is that Man on the Clapham omnibus
- all these edge cases fall to a judge .. who may or may not be as reasonable as your first cousin on the back seat of the omnibus.
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
In the infamous words of George Carlin: "Selling is legal, and fucking is legal; but selling fucking is not legal."
A politician voting for a bill is legal. Giving money to a politician is legal. But giving money to a politician so he'll vote for a bill is not legal.
What are you talking about? This is how laws are passed in the US 8-/
The private money delivering entity often writes the bill!
Which the politician often doesn't even read, just sends to the house from committee for vote...
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#96I don't get the point of banning specific pornography niches/fetishes that are otherwise legal. Are there not much more objectionable fetishes than this one?
This exactly. I don’t believe the government should be censoring porn, but I have a really hard time arguing that principle against studies that suggest it is normalizing choking and slapping women among the young men exposed to it. Why is this roleplay fetish the beachhead and not something like that?
That's an odd perspective. I have heard of young women demanding to be choked and slapped (with their partners acquiescing) far far more than young men instigating the behaviour.
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#97Ok I'm just gonna straight up ask: do people actually like "oh no stepbrother" porn? What's with the huge proliferation of it? I only watch it because it seems like 80% of the well shot, quality porn is step family shit, and I'm wondering if I'm participating in some kind of bizarre feedback loop where step family porn happened to be a category that started getting higher quality production value, which got more view…
Reminds me of the time the porn "actress" doing an AMA on Reddit was innocently asked about the proliferation of incestuous porn, only to go into a meltdown over rampant anti-semitism. Someone accidentally got too close...
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#98Anything but exposing the abusers who Epstein and Maxwell trafficked to [1] and investigating (let alone prosecuting) child abuse [2][3]. Britain has many real problems. This isn't one of them. [1]: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/the-epstein-files-rattle-... [2]: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/2/26/british-politicians... [3]: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/28/outrag...
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Re: Peers vote to ban pornography depicting sex acts between stepfamily members
#99Some ministers had opposed the amendment and suggested the new ban would have been difficult to implement because, under the law in England and Wales, it is not illegal for adults who are step-related to engage in a sexual relationship. This is amusing to me. Legal to do, but not legal to film.
There are several edge cases like this in the UK. It's obviously not legal for say, me, a middle aged man, to possess a photograph of some 17 year old girl with her tits out. Right? Except well... wait no, because what if I have a photo of my middle aged wife shortly after we first met, so the photo shows a 17 year old girl with her tits out, but the person is my wife, who is like "Yeah, remember when I had long hair…
I believe nudity is generally not illegal at all, as in in itself. Like... Come on, _of course_ it's the UK, not Europe or US....
Are we there yet?
Nude children are or were in the recent past displayed in Britain's museums (National Gallery, Tate Britain and Tate Modern (afair paintings and sculptures, infamous pictures of Brooke Shields), British Museum (antiques))
For example if you were to photograph your own kids frolicking in the garden to immortalise the moments of joy and fun, that'd be also okay BUT of course I'm certain Google/Apple would immediately report you, lock your account and then you'd have to get a lawyer to point the sheer absurdity of it.
And that's at the same time it's perfectly fine for such children to play on the public beaches for example.
...but of course I'm aware we're supposed to police ourselves.
Brits love being gravely offended and prude and the new law further reinforces this notion -- at the moment when the possession of the fake video or fake story of incest relationship is a criminal offence, having a sexual relationship with, say, first cousin is perfectly fine in the UK.
I mean: you can legally and lawfully have a child with your cousin, but if you wrote a story about that INSTEAD that's 2 years in prison.
I can't help myself but I think too many MPs and Lords have affairs with cousins; perhaps worse.
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
This exactly. I don’t believe the government should be censoring porn, but I have a really hard time arguing that principle against studies that suggest it is normalizing choking and slapping women among the young men exposed to it. Why is this roleplay fetish the beachhead and not something like that?
That's an odd perspective. I have heard of young women demanding to be choked and slapped (with their partners acquiescing) far far more than young men instigating the behaviour.
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2025/jul/07/no-safe...
> Now thought to be the second most common cause of stroke in women under 40, it can also lead to difficulty swallowing, incontinence, seizures, memory problems, depression, anxiety and miscarriage.
Looks like they are going after that too though.