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I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by SiempreViernes »

vincnetas wrote: post #57
SiempreViernes wrote: post #40

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I mean, if you live in a country where the state will delegate ID verification to a creepy company instead of having that as an in house capability you have more pressing structural issues to deal with.

ok, lets do a poll. id like to see who uses what. remember its not only countries its also private businesses like banks or lawyers and remember its like ratchet. there might be 99% of services that use inhouse face id, and its enough to have only one to leak your data.

Ha! You are concerned about the privacy aspects of IDs but you want me to list what authentication services I use for you? That's too funny to help out with :p

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by thewebguyd »

darknavi wrote: post #73
thewebguyd wrote: post #62

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> It is the young people that are growing up conditioned to press accept It's really alarming, actually. I run the cyber security training & phishing simulations at my work, and it's the younger employees that struggle the most. It's like they just assume that everything on the web is trustworthy. It's not hard to see why though. They grew up with app stores & locked down devices. No concept of a file or file system,…

Maybe we should make young learners in primary school use "infected" Windows XP so they can dodge spam popups and learn what and what not to click.

Growing up I had a "computing" class in high school. It's where I learned to type, but also learned the basics of using both macOS(9 at the time) and Windows.

It was also drilled into me that the default state of anything on the internet is to be untrusted and potentially harmful.

It also helped that you could actually tinker with things, and there were plenty of foot guns around to drill that lesson home.

Somewhere along the way that message got lost and didn't get communicated to the young ones, and I'm not even that old (38).

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by fusslo »

Personally, I can see use cases for verifying my identity:

Banking, taxes, treasurydirect, linkedin, docusign, online filing,

Right now all those are tied to my gmail account.

So I'm feeding google all this juicy (IMO) confidential information. What happens when I get locked out by google's automatic systems? I already lost my first gmail account from like 2003, when you had to get an invite to sign up. I'm stuck in a verification loop that emails a yahoo email that no longer exists. Impossible to get a real person to look at it.

If I can just verify that I am who I say I am without an email account... That'd be worth it. Of course that just shifts the burden to the identity verification company rather than an email company.

But verifying my age? I see no purpose other than a backdoor for mass identity verification. keeping lists of people and what they're accessing. Buying alcohol online still requires the person accepting the package to be over 21. Buying firearms online still requires being shipped to an FFL.

I already despise how much information my ISP has about what I see, what I access, and when.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by bpt3 »

mothballed wrote: post #63
rd wrote: post #61

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Is there any hard evidence that this is true compared to say 20 years ago. I’ve heard it repeated a million times but no one’s ever provided evidence

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You live in a very strange area to say the least.

None of those are true in my area, and how did the "Karen" even get to your child on your private road?

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by skeptic_ai »

fusslo wrote: post #93

Personally, I can see use cases for verifying my identity: Banking, taxes, treasurydirect, linkedin, docusign, online filing, Right now all those are tied to my gmail account. So I'm feeding google all this juicy (IMO) confidential information. What happens when I get locked out by google's automatic systems? I already lost my first gmail account from like 2003, when you had to get an invite to sign up. I'm stuck in…

You lost your account and you still back to Gmail? Impressive

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by chneu »

PyWoody wrote: post #8
bArray wrote: post #6

I was sitting in a room the other day with a young adult, we were searching for additional algorithm learning materials. They searched in Google, and accept the cookies. They clicked on a website, and accepted those cookies too. They then started entering their email address to access another service. I was completely taken aback. I'm the sort of person that either rejects the cookies, or will use another site entire…

I remember when it first became widely known that the government could see your library checkouts. People protested. It was a big deal in my tiny town. I don't even think it would be even a blip on the radar now. It really is depressing how much ground we've given.

I was just talking about this the other day. This all happened right after 9/11(nevr 4get) and people were fucking PISSED that the patriot act wanted to look at people's library histories. It was a HUGE deal where I lived. Now? Nobody gives a shit and people will trade away their valuable privacy for an IQ test.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by mothballed »

bpt3 wrote: post #94
mothballed wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You live in a very strange area to say the least. None of those are true in my area, and how did the "Karen" even get to your child on your private road?

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Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by Barbing »

PyWoody wrote: post #8
bArray wrote: post #6

I was sitting in a room the other day with a young adult, we were searching for additional algorithm learning materials. They searched in Google, and accept the cookies. They clicked on a website, and accepted those cookies too. They then started entering their email address to access another service. I was completely taken aback. I'm the sort of person that either rejects the cookies, or will use another site entire…

I remember when it first became widely known that the government could see your library checkouts. People protested. It was a big deal in my tiny town. I don't even think it would be even a blip on the radar now. It really is depressing how much ground we've given.

USA PATRIOT Act, early 2000s?

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

adventured wrote: post #84
thewebguyd wrote: post #62

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> It is the young people that are growing up conditioned to press accept It's really alarming, actually. I run the cyber security training & phishing simulations at my work, and it's the younger employees that struggle the most. It's like they just assume that everything on the web is trustworthy. It's not hard to see why though. They grew up with app stores & locked down devices. No concept of a file or file system,…

That's an exaggeration. Young people on average have grown up with drastically greater understanding of what a file is than any other generation that has come before them. They grew up using Chromebooks or laptops in school, constantly interacting with the local file systems, uploading files to Instagram and TikTok from the file systems on their smartphones, browsing their phones for files constantly. They know what…

You don’t upload a “file” in a “folder” to TikTok. You upload a “video” from your “library”. Consumers have been conditioned to stop thinking about files especially when it comes to media since iTunes and the iPod in 2001.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by bmacho »

ambicapter wrote: post #70
bmacho wrote: post #56

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It's not just cookies, it's explicit consent to track you, and sell your browsing history to ~1500 spy companies around the world. To the sibling comments: don't "accept the cookies" and then delete them. - - - I'm super angry at what the web has become, especially at the OS browser community. There is 0 browser (that I know of) that can access the web safely and conveniently. Atm I use Firefox with uBlock which bloc…

How would you implement ability to arbitrarily block any network connection on any website without giving an extension 100% access?

> How would you implement ability to arbitrarily block any network connection on any website without giving an extension 100% access?

Browsers should provide a filtering option before they makes a request.

IMO a lot of no-brainer options are missing from personal computers. Like the ability to start a program with restricted access to files, network or OS calls (on Windows and on Linux). Browsers should provide the ability to inspect, and filter network access, run custom javascript on websites, etc.

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