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I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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The problem for me is that the reason this is needed is that kids are permanently online, completely unprepared for the wild west that is the internet and increasingly effectively raised by the internet.

All this is to facilitate that lifestyle without any concerns that far more damage is likely to happen by allowing it to happen than insisting on adequate parenting

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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post #4

This is exactly what I am feeling (the title, didn't read). I can't see why I would give a copy of my official id card or a picture of my face to a basic service on the Internet. Seriously ? They do not deserve it. Even my phone number is too much but well Google has it now.

Luckily it’s already possible to verify your age without actually giving out any data like your birthdate

And without having to trust that the government isn't keeping track of every request for age verification?

I'd be curious how that might work as I haven't yet seen a zero-trust age verification system.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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I was sitting in a room the other day with a young adult, we were searching for additional algorithm learning materials. They searched in Google, and accept the cookies. They clicked on a website, and accepted those cookies too. They then started entering their email address to access another service. I was completely taken aback. I'm the sort of person that either rejects the cookies, or will use another site entire…

The fact that you think declining the cookies gets you privacy is the real grift. The fact that you think you're safe from tracking because of a cookie banner

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

#34

I live in China, where every mobile game requires age verification. Teenagers can play for up to 1.5h/d on weekends. But as far as I can see, some parents will assist their children to unlock more time on purpose.

Handing over a phone is certainly cheaper than paying for extra childcare, though most likely much less healthy for the child.

I suppose idea is that Chinese women will stay at home with the child so the state doesn't have to provide any help?

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Accept the cookies and flush them out every time you close the browser. I think it would be naive anyway to assume that clicking no on a cookie banner would achieve much for your privacy.

Why even ask for the cookies if denying them doesn’t achieve much? It’s naive to think that cookies are the only tool used for tracking, but they are the most powerful tool for web based tracking.

Because EU Cookie Law was a flawed idea?

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Accept the cookies and flush them out every time you close the browser. I think it would be naive anyway to assume that clicking no on a cookie banner would achieve much for your privacy.

Why even ask for the cookies if denying them doesn’t achieve much? It’s naive to think that cookies are the only tool used for tracking, but they are the most powerful tool for web based tracking.

Because in some legal systems you're required to ask. You're also required to follow fairly specific rules relates to the user's selection and data, though I can't imagine enforcement keeps up with websites breaking those laws.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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post #26

Enforcing laws against porn companies distributing porn to minors seems reasonable. It's already illegal many places, such as the US. It is then their responsibility to gate by age. It has always worked this way for liquor stores or basically anything else age-gated, including some online services like poker. If you dont want to provide age verification you don't have to.

When I buy liquor (well, I don't drink anymore, so THC seltzers), the liquor company isn't saving my ID to my profile and then following me around everywhere I go for the rest of my life shouting "This is MALFIST, he's 42! He buys alcohol! He also visited X Y and Z last week and had interests in A, B and C. He's annual income is six figures and buys expensive bourbon."

Not yet anyway. But there's nothing much stopping Google to offer a "verification" service to "help combat fake IDs" using a web connected camera at the till.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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There are some services where it makes sense. E.g., submitting taxes with the government, logging into the banking website. Apart from that kind of service, yes I don't think I would want my identity or age verified on more or less any website.

the catch is that for both cases same backend provider is most likely used. persona for example. and you have no choice who will id your face.

I mean, if you live in a country where the state will delegate ID verification to a creepy company instead of having that as an in house capability you have more pressing structural issues to deal with.
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