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Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Post by parliament32 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #32
owenthejumper wrote: post #30

Everything about this situation is absolutely bonkers. Marking a US company as a supply chain risk hasn't been done before AFAIK, and is a guaranteed end of the company. It's the US government basically unilaterally deciding to end a leading AI researcher company. Years of lawsuits will follow, comparisons to "communism", accusations of Trump/Heghseth being Chinese/Russia agents (because well, how else do you hand ov…

> is a guaranteed end of the company Why do you say this?

Because this means you can't use it in regulated industries, including vendors of companies in regulated industries. It means any company who buys Anthropic products can never sell services to a company who is in a regulated industry (or has customers in a regulated industry, or has customers who have customers who are in a regulated industry, etc etc).

Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Post by ok_dad »

stronglikedan wrote: post #89
mediaman wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not either of those. Anthropic put a lot of effort into getting FedRAMP approved so the DOD could use them; they are now being punished for that, and the government at present has no other good options. Other options could of course be developed, but other vendors may question how unreliable and untrustworthy the current DOD leadership is as as customer.

> DOD *DOW

No it’s still the DoD legally

Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Post by stronglikedan »

jstummbillig wrote: post #59

On the one hand it's fantastic that people are resisting and, if nothing else, raising awareness and buying time. On the other hand, is autonomous war not obviously the endgame, given how quickly capabilities are increasing and that it simply does not require much intelligence (relatively speaking) to build something that points a gun at something and pulls a trigger? It just needs one player to do it, so everyone ha…

> It just needs one player to do it, so everyone has to be able to do it.

Businesses stay out of potentially profitable market segments for various reasons, so I don't think everyone has to be able to do it to survive.

Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Post by dpkirchner »

stronglikedan wrote: post #89
mediaman wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not either of those. Anthropic put a lot of effort into getting FedRAMP approved so the DOD could use them; they are now being punished for that, and the government at present has no other good options. Other options could of course be developed, but other vendors may question how unreliable and untrustworthy the current DOD leadership is as as customer.

> DOD *DOW

There is no such thing. That's a fantasy term used by deluded people to signal a particular virtue.

Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Post by [deleted] »

stronglikedan wrote: post #89
mediaman wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not either of those. Anthropic put a lot of effort into getting FedRAMP approved so the DOD could use them; they are now being punished for that, and the government at present has no other good options. Other options could of course be developed, but other vendors may question how unreliable and untrustworthy the current DOD leadership is as as customer.

> DOD *DOW

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Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Post by mothballed »

ACCount37 wrote: post #80
Enginerrrd wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it simply does not require much intelligence (relatively speaking) to build something that points a gun at something and pulls a trigger? I could not disagree more. A big part of that is also knowing when NOT to pull the trigger. And it’s much harder than you’d think. If you think full self driving is a difficult task for computers, battlefield operations are an order of magnitude more complex, at least.

We have fully autonomous weapons, and had them for over a century. We call them "landmines". I expect autonomous weapons of the near future to look somewhat similar to that. They get deployed to an area, attack anything that looks remotely like a target there for a given time, then stand down and return to base. That's it. The job of the autonomous weapon platform isn't telling friend from foe - it's disposing of eve…

I guess by that definition, a bullet is also autonomous. It will strike anything in its path of flight, autonomously without further direction from the operator.

Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Post by mrexcess »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #36
tokai wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>not in a "maneuvered out of the news spotlight" kind of way (e.g. Greenland) I what world has the Greenland stuff been anything but a fuckoff?

> I what world has the Greenland stuff been anything but a fuckoff? The world in which Europe didn't respond, Americans didn't flip out and Congress didn't push back.

>Europe didn't respond

https://komonews.com/news/nation-world/danish-mep-tells-trum...

Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Post by jasongill »

Eggpants wrote: post #52

What’s interesting is Anthropic being singled out here. That either means: 1- OpenAI, Microsoft, Google, Amazon, etc have no problem with their products being used to kill people so no need to bully them. 2- These other products are so terrible at the task that the clown shoe wearing SecDef is forced to try to bully Anthropic.

WaPo is reporting that OpenAI and xAI already agreed to the Pentagon's "any lawful use" clause, aka, mass surveillance and fully autonomous killbots. From the WaPo article https://archive.is/yz6JA#selection-435.42-435.355

> Officials say other leading AI firms have gone along with the demand. OpenAI, the maker of ChatGPT, Google and Elon Musk’s xAI have agreed to allow the Pentagon to use their systems for “all lawful purposes” on unclassified networks, a Defense official said, and are working on agreements for classified networks.

The only difference is simply that Anthropic is already approved for use on classified networks, whereas Grok and OpenAI are not yet (but are being fast-tracked for approval, especially Grok). Edit: Note someone below pointed out that OpenAI may be approved for Secret level, so it's odd that Washington Post reports that they are working on it still.

Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Post by 5o1ecist »

LogicFailsMe wrote: post #21

I don't have a lot of hope here. When most of the creme de la creme of the billionaire class capitulated to Trump at the beginning of his term, that set the tone for everything that followed IMO. It's astounding to me that so many are willing to see him trample on the Constitution and separation of powers when they'd scream like stuck pigs if any other party attempted it. And that's the way a lot of influential Ameri…

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Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Post by zyx321 »

philipwhiuk wrote: post #44
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #24

My read of this interaction is Dario is calling out Hegseths' bluff. A bluff the latter didn't even know he was blundering into because Hegseth is an idiot. SecDef invoking the DPA against Anthropic likely trashes the AI fundraising market, at least for a spell. That's why OpenAI is wading into the fight [1]. Given the Dow is sitting on a rising souffle of AI expectations, that knocks it out as well. And if there is…

Imagine if it's just Grok that plays ball because Musk doesn't want to lose SpaceX's DoD contracts now it's the same outfit.

I'll imagine Grok plays ball because this is an obviously blatantly fascist policy, and Elon did like 2 or 3 SIEG HEILs at the inauguration.
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