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The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

#51

Imagine one of the defense primes telling the DoW, "We won't build you these planes, they're just too darned lethal!"

They are a private company they can largely sell or not sell they want. They aren’t saying they won’t build them because they are to effective they are saying they won’t build them because they aren’t safe.

Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

#52
What’s interesting is Anthropic being singled out here. That either means:

1- OpenAI, Microsoft, Google, Amazon, etc have no problem with their products being used to kill people so no need to bully them.

2- These other products are so terrible at the task that the clown shoe wearing SecDef is forced to try to bully Anthropic.

Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

#55

Imagine one of the defense primes telling the DoW, "We won't build you these planes, they're just too darned lethal!"

Yes, you're right. Military contractors supplying equipment that needlessly harms our own soldiers is pretty common, from what I understand. Soldiers following orders don't have much market power. "Occupational hazard", and then the brass sweeps the incidents under the rug. And paramilitary contractors are generally quite happy to supply things meant to directly hurt Americans (sonar weapons and tear gas used to attack Constitutional protests, etc). Both of these dynamics are applicable here. "AI" as it stands is a recipe for friendly fire incidents. And domestically, these capabilities will be used to turbocharge domestic surveillance as the con artist regime desperately needs ways to keep the wheels from coming off the cart.

So yes you're right, it sure is nice to imagine Anthropic setting off a wave of more military contractors acting with principles.

Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

#56

Imagine one of the defense primes telling the DoW, "We won't build you these planes, they're just too darned lethal!"

The DoD is those defense contractors and companies' _primary target customer_. That doesn't just mean they're dependent on them as a customer. That means everyone working with, for, and adjacent to them has knowingly signed up to work with a defense contractor and to sell to someone that wants to use weapons in anger. That means these companies were mostly _founded_ to do that.

So instead, I invite you to imagine a medical supply company refusing to sell medical-grade sodium thiopental to the Bureau of Prisons.

Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn’t an external directive; Anthropic was founded with the mission of creating safe, reliable AI systems. You wouldn’t see the same people working at the company if the company didn’t stand by its acceptable use policy and other internal standards

Isn't a safe and reliable intelligence an oxymoron?

Are you saying intelligence is inherently unsafe? That seems like a pretty wild conclusion and I can't see any logical way to jump to your opinions.

Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

#58

I don't have a lot of hope here. When most of the creme de la creme of the billionaire class capitulated to Trump at the beginning of his term, that set the tone for everything that followed IMO. It's astounding to me that so many are willing to see him trample on the Constitution and separation of powers when they'd scream like stuck pigs if any other party attempted it. And that's the way a lot of influential Ameri…

So the cornerstone of one of the most common types of scam, affinity fraud, as well as a cornerstone of salesmanship, is convincing an audience that you're just like them. You have the same likes and dislikes, the same hobbies, the same cultural references, the same beliefs and values and hopes and dreams.

And then you use that affinity to manipulate them, to get them to do what you want, to get them to give you money.

I think the tech worker / engineering / online crowd has really let themselves get duped.

Sure, maybe some tech billionaires did start out in a similar place as many of us.

But a lot of what they tell us as part of selling us their brand is just affinity fraud, telling us they're just like us with the same values of privacy and open source and some hippie notion of peace, love and understanding.

But it's just a trick, and they just want money, power and fame.

It's not so much as the billionaires capitulating, it's that they never were the people they pretended to be, and keeping up the act is no longer how they get what they want.

Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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On the one hand it's fantastic that people are resisting and, if nothing else, raising awareness and buying time.

On the other hand, is autonomous war not obviously the endgame, given how quickly capabilities are increasing and that it simply does not require much intelligence (relatively speaking) to build something that points a gun at something and pulls a trigger?

It just needs one player to do it, so everyone has to be able to do it. I'd love to hear about different scenarios scenario.

Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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post #51

Imagine one of the defense primes telling the DoW, "We won't build you these planes, they're just too darned lethal!"

They are a private company they can largely sell or not sell they want. They aren’t saying they won’t build them because they are to effective they are saying they won’t build them because they aren’t safe.

Quoting statute:

> The President is hereby authorized (1) to require that performance under contracts or orders (other than contracts of employment) which he deems necessary or appropriate to promote the national defense shall take priority over performance under any other contract or order, and, for the purpose of assuring such priority, to require acceptance and performance of such contracts or orders in preference to other contracts or orders by any person he finds to be capable of their performance, and (2) to allocate materials and facilities in such manner, upon such conditions, and to such extent as he shall deem necessary or appropriate to promote the national defense.

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