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Re: Bazzite Post-Mortem

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Post by Forgeties79 »

jajuuka wrote: post #47
dismalaf wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Pretty much. He said some mean words. The cult of personality around the other maintainer has spun it into something way worse that he someone made other people quit OSS or something. It's hog wash and not backed up by anything.

>He said some mean words.

I guarantee you I can say some mean words that would upset you at some point. If you have to repeatedly deal with it, you'd likely leave the space we share or ask someone to make me leave. Words have power, we shouldn't pretend otherwise.

Re: Bazzite Post-Mortem

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Post by ta9000 »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #41
dismalaf wrote: post #14

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Mint needs to die. It's the most ancient, archaic distro ever. Replacing something that's SOTA with something that still uses X11 and years old software isn't it (it makes Debian Stable look modern).

(Even if they're all true) Do any of those things matter to a user ? If the goal is to ditch Windows and have something else that can run Steam and a web browser and maybe some other applications, being "ancient" sounds just as likely to mean "stable and actually works"

The stability is why I prefer Linux Mint for gaming. Everything just works, even on my modern hardware.

dismalaf: I definitely don’t care about gestures on my desktop computer.

Re: Bazzite Post-Mortem

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Post by ta9000 »

tomth wrote: post #45
dismalaf wrote: post #14

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Mint needs to die. It's the most ancient, archaic distro ever. Replacing something that's SOTA with something that still uses X11 and years old software isn't it (it makes Debian Stable look modern).

I've had issues with Wayland, even in 2025, but never with X11. X11 may be old, but it's stable. Mint is for normal people, not us. I do have it on my travel laptop though, because well, it never has any issues.

Yeah, sorry, I’m a normal person I guess.

Re: Bazzite Post-Mortem

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Post by esseph »

morshu9001 wrote: post #82
esseph wrote: post #77

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> I'll try Linux again if they ever sort these things out You don't understand. This won't be "sorted out", this is a feature. Maybe it's just not for you, and that's ok.

You said it yourself, "fuck snap." But Snap is the default for a bunch of things. There's probably someone else saying "fuck flatpak." The user doesn't win this way, it's not a feature.

Snap is Ubuntu and derivatives only which is a respectable but smaller segment of the options.

It's also a fucking system daemon that runs in the background. Avoid.

Flatpak is available on every distro.

Re: Bazzite Post-Mortem

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Post by esseph »

morshu9001 wrote: post #89
eikenberry wrote: post #85

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Snaps are a Canonical thing and is only used by default on Ubuntu and distro's based on Ubuntu. No other distro uses or recommends them.

Those are the popular distros though. Switch to something else and you trade 1 problem for 10.

Flatpak is available on every distro.

Re: Bazzite Post-Mortem

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Post by ta9000 »

dismalaf wrote: post #14
ta9000 wrote: post #10

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I’d recommend trying Linux Mint with Steam.

Mint needs to die. It's the most ancient, archaic distro ever. Replacing something that's SOTA with something that still uses X11 and years old software isn't it (it makes Debian Stable look modern).

The latest version (with support through 2029) was released last month. It installed and runs flawlessly.

https://www.linuxmint.com/rel_zena_whatsnew.php

Re: Bazzite Post-Mortem

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Post by ktm5j »

hiccup_socks wrote: post #44
kevinrineer wrote: post #36

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> ... as a synonym for "incident report" People should stop using it as a synonym, then. The Latin effectively means "after death", meaning its a poor synonym for "what happened wrong recently".

> The Latin effectively means "after death" language evolves over time post mortem is even in dictionaries (meriam, oxford, american heritage) as "an analysis or review of a finished event"

"Finished" being an important word. Seems like this Bazzite project is not finished and so post mortem is in fact a poor choice of words.

Re: Bazzite Post-Mortem

#98

Post by jajuuka »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #91
jajuuka wrote: post #47

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Pretty much. He said some mean words. The cult of personality around the other maintainer has spun it into something way worse that he someone made other people quit OSS or something. It's hog wash and not backed up by anything.

>He said some mean words. I guarantee you I can say some mean words that would upset you at some point. If you have to repeatedly deal with it, you'd likely leave the space we share or ask someone to make me leave. Words have power, we shouldn't pretend otherwise.

1. Being called an idiot or told my idea is dumb is not going to upset me. I guess I just have more emotional maturity than some OSS devs.

2. Why would I leave when I can just block you if you are harassing me?

3. Why are you inventing this hypothetical instead of just showing where that occurred?

4. No-one has said words don't have power. But being on the internet you should be able to recognize that you won't be friends with everyone. So you have to develop some basic emotional regulation for silly insults.

Re: Bazzite Post-Mortem

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Post by dismalaf »

ta9000 wrote: post #96
dismalaf wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mint needs to die. It's the most ancient, archaic distro ever. Replacing something that's SOTA with something that still uses X11 and years old software isn't it (it makes Debian Stable look modern).

The latest version (with support through 2029) was released last month. It installed and runs flawlessly. https://www.linuxmint.com/rel_zena_whatsnew.php

It's literally based on a 2 year old Ubuntu LTS... This is what I mean. It's very outdated.

Re: Bazzite Post-Mortem

#100

Post by eikenberry »

morshu9001 wrote: post #89
eikenberry wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Snaps are a Canonical thing and is only used by default on Ubuntu and distro's based on Ubuntu. No other distro uses or recommends them.

Those are the popular distros though. Switch to something else and you trade 1 problem for 10.

If you want to base it on popularity then you should use Debian. Debian and its child distros (of which Ubuntu is one) make up the majority of Linux distros and the child distros are still 99% Debian.
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