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Chuck Klosterman on why we've never actually seen a real football game

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Re: Chuck Klosterman on why we've never actually seen a real football game

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I think of football as one of the killer apps for tv. Baseball is one for radio: baseball is almost always better over radio; there’s lots of space to do something else at the pace of most baseball games.

What’s the sport for short form video?

Swimming and diving.

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I think of football as one of the killer apps for tv. Baseball is one for radio: baseball is almost always better over radio; there’s lots of space to do something else at the pace of most baseball games.

I spent a summer building a car in a garage with baseball on the radio. That was the most I’ve enjoyed the game by far.

My grandmother (b. 1906)—a very intelligent lady (held her J.D.)—always had MLB game the broadcast tuned in anytime I was visiting her. The tempo and information needs of the game makes it perfect for delivery by radio.

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Whenever I think it might be worth it to finally go watch an NFL game live, and I start looking at those ticket prices, I start to question if it's worth it or not. Then I get to the seat view simulator and instantly close the tab because holy hell are the "affordable" NFL seats absolutely terrible to watch a game from. Can you even see the player numbers let alone the names? I guess you need to be a big enough fan t…

I went to go see a Broncos game once about 10 years ago, it was $400 for a single ticket. I was in the top section, 3 rows from the back, I needed a Sherpa to help me get to my seat. I could tell there was a game of football being played down below me, but that was about it. I couldn't see the ball, I couldn't read any of the players' numbers, I couldn't see the refs hand signals. A beer and a hotdog was $30, and the…

The very best gridiron football is NCAA (SEC specifically) but getting tickets is basically unobtanium. I was lucky to have a FIL who was an alum, and donated enough yearly to get "rights for" season tickets for UGA games (Go Dawgs!). As the saying goes, "There's nothing like cheering on your team with 92,000 of your closest friends." An absolutely amazing experience every time that I got to go. [edit:clarity]

Re: Chuck Klosterman on why we've never actually seen a real football game

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To me, this is the only real football game: https://www.sbnation.com/a/17776-football . (No spoilers please!)

Clicked expecting https://www.sbnation.com/2014/8/18/5998715/the-tim-tebow-cfl... ...and found something different! (Albeit by the same author, Jon Bois.)

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I think of football as one of the killer apps for tv. Baseball is one for radio: baseball is almost always better over radio; there’s lots of space to do something else at the pace of most baseball games.

What’s the sport for short form video?

post-game Chess analysis, diving, skis/snowboards/bikes/skateboards/etc doing tricks, any sports bloopers or amazing single plays (like the dad holding a beer and a baby who manages to also catch a foul ball, racing crashes, curling throws...

Re: Chuck Klosterman on why we've never actually seen a real football game

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Most of what he writes (including the part on the skycam) applies to soccer as well.

Maybe, but soccer doesn't have very many situations where there are ~14 players standing in spitting distance of each other and a 6 inch shift in the position of the ball or a single player has huge implications for the outcome of the game.

Aren't free kicks an example of this? There must be a few in every soccer game, no?

But I don't know how many times the 14 player scenario happens per game in American Football, is it a lot more?

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For me the interesting part of his argument is that we reframe things we see in real life based on the recorded version of the similar thing we have seen before. It often makes it more compelling and easier to relate to. Then it becomes the way we interpret our world and since so many people consume it similarly it becomes a mass mental constraint on our perception, understanding and interpretation of the real world.

This excerpt isn't really about football per se, so if you take it only that way you might be missing his point.

I like Klosterman. I can't write as well.

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Hmmm. NFL revenue continues to grow, with something like half of it from media licensing. So, I think you’re wrong. My son watches NFL on his laptop, but there’s little to distinguish how he watches it from the experience he would have on a Samsung tv - he’s not like in some chat group trying to get Ochocinco to write his name on a jersey - he’s passively consuming an edited video feed of a football game with comment…

okay, let's look: Entity 2016 Rev 2024 Rev Nominal Real (Adj) --------------------------------------------------------- Netflix $8.8B [5] $39.0B [6] +341% +229% NBA $6.5B [3] $11.3B [4] +74% +30% NFL $14.0B [1] $23.0B [2] +64% +22% Inflation --- --- +34% [7] 0% i didn't say the NFL made less money, because i'm not stupid. i'm trying to describe a secular trend so i'm comparing the revenue growth in different media co…

And I would be VERY interested to see if that increasing NFL revenue was due to people spending more hours watching/attending or because the NFL have a ton of deals with all the online gambling sites whose revenue is going apeshit.

My gut feel is that people are actually spending a lot fewer hours watching NFL games.

Even when I have been at parties where an NFL game was on, the younger crowd were diddling with their phones--generally playing games. No judgment, it's not like phone games are inferior to vegetating in front of the boob tube--but I suspect that while an NFL game may be "on", it's not really the "focus" anymore.

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I think of football as one of the killer apps for tv. Baseball is one for radio: baseball is almost always better over radio; there’s lots of space to do something else at the pace of most baseball games.

Baseball is killer in-person but it's also pretty nice to just have on TV. There is nothing else like the tension of a critical at-bat. Football is actually really really weird for a spectator sport and, I think, is generally presented very poorly. 80% of the game is deciphering opposing formations to determine what they each are predicting the opposing formation is about to try to do.

The first time I saw baseball from box seats after 30 years of upper deck, it was two different games. While you couldn’t hear, seeing the players speak to one another was a blast.
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