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Chuck Klosterman on why we've never actually seen a real football game

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Re: Chuck Klosterman on why we've never actually seen a real football game

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Post by llm_nerd »

j4cobgarby wrote: post #3

It wasn't until he mentioned 'soccer' that I realised football meant American football.

It's the LA Times, a clearly American newspaper, so of course the reader must assume football = "American" football. This is not contentious.

Further, the contention of the article is simply that there are many perspectives to a game like (American) football, and every perspective is limited in some way, not receiving the full information of everything happening simultaneously, and this also applies to any video source. Not sure how that relates to fascism, but somehow it apparently does. Regardless, the contention is just as applicable to soccer (aka the shortened name the brits made for Association Football)

Re: Chuck Klosterman on why we've never actually seen a real football game

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

cheschire wrote: post #13

Whenever I think it might be worth it to finally go watch an NFL game live, and I start looking at those ticket prices, I start to question if it's worth it or not. Then I get to the seat view simulator and instantly close the tab because holy hell are the "affordable" NFL seats absolutely terrible to watch a game from. Can you even see the player numbers let alone the names? I guess you need to be a big enough fan t…

One time purchase? How are you watching?

Re: Chuck Klosterman on why we've never actually seen a real football game

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Post by doctorpangloss »

vessenes wrote: post #4

I think of football as one of the killer apps for tv. Baseball is one for radio: baseball is almost always better over radio; there’s lots of space to do something else at the pace of most baseball games.

that may be. but that's like saying, "XYZ is a killer app for vinyl" haha.

football as a televised spectator sport? trending down. it's not dead, but where growth is measured, it is not good. the cultural thing this guy is talking about in the article, it's going away. fewer and fewer people every year value the aesthetic experience he is describing.

TV ownership? trending down. they've never been cheaper for a reason. trend for TV production since peak TV? down.

football as a gambling product? up. okay, do you see what i mean by bad growth? football mediated as betting stats on apps? up. draftkings, polymarket, ESPN fantasy app ARPPU? up. ESPN streaming app ARPU? down. comcast? hated, down, everyone is cheering for it to go down. do you see?

there is no way to talk about specific instances of football (and stadium sports') cultural weaknesses without sounding really cringe. maybe just, "who cares?"

Re: Chuck Klosterman on why we've never actually seen a real football game

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Post by Rebelgecko »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #22
cheschire wrote: post #13

Whenever I think it might be worth it to finally go watch an NFL game live, and I start looking at those ticket prices, I start to question if it's worth it or not. Then I get to the seat view simulator and instantly close the tab because holy hell are the "affordable" NFL seats absolutely terrible to watch a game from. Can you even see the player numbers let alone the names? I guess you need to be a big enough fan t…

One time purchase? How are you watching?

Probably an OTA antenna and/or streaming

Re: Chuck Klosterman on why we've never actually seen a real football game

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Post by cheschire »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #22
cheschire wrote: post #13

Whenever I think it might be worth it to finally go watch an NFL game live, and I start looking at those ticket prices, I start to question if it's worth it or not. Then I get to the seat view simulator and instantly close the tab because holy hell are the "affordable" NFL seats absolutely terrible to watch a game from. Can you even see the player numbers let alone the names? I guess you need to be a big enough fan t…

One time purchase? How are you watching?

Since I would maintain an NFL+ subscription regardless of my attendance at a game or the purchase of a large TV, I don't factor it in.

I got the TV specifically with the money I redirected from an NFL tickets budget line.

Re: Chuck Klosterman on why we've never actually seen a real football game

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Post by trillic »

Rooster61 wrote: post #10
nlawalker wrote: post #2

>During the college football playoffs, ESPN’s family of networks will sometimes show the same game on multiple channels, with one channel broadcasting the whole affair from the Skycam camera. This is a remote camera hovering above and behind the line of scrimmage, replicating the perspective one sees in a video game. Coaches call this the “All‑22” view, because all 22 players on the field are simultaneously observabl…

I've never heard this called all-22, and I've been around a lot of football. I played from middle to high school, and my dad has filmed all but 1 high school game for the same school for 37 years. I've exclusively heard this referred to as "wide angle" by filmographers and coaches alike.

It's colloquially the all-22.

Re: Chuck Klosterman on why we've never actually seen a real football game

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Post by schiffern »

gretch wrote: post #18

No evidence or supporting material, just continued insistence that the author is correct. “I can’t crawl inside your skull and prove you wrong. But this is how it works for most people, including most who insist it does not.“ Consider this direct excerpt of 2 back to back sentences and how 1 contradicts the other. You can’t crawl inside my skull, but you can crawl inside everyone else’s?

The essay is a great example of a mindset that devalues the subjective and strives to rebrand it as objective. Paradoxically it shows insecurity. "My experience doesn't count unless it's The Truth."

You like a thing. That's fine. That's enough. There's no need to prove the worth of your own enjoyment by fantasizing that it conquers everyone else's brain too.

You're the adult now. You're allowed to like it just because you like it.

Re: Chuck Klosterman on why we've never actually seen a real football game

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Post by bobro »

vessenes wrote: post #4

I think of football as one of the killer apps for tv. Baseball is one for radio: baseball is almost always better over radio; there’s lots of space to do something else at the pace of most baseball games.

What’s the sport for short form video?

Re: Chuck Klosterman on why we've never actually seen a real football game

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Post by _--__--__ »

macleginn wrote: post #12
j4cobgarby wrote: post #3

It wasn't until he mentioned 'soccer' that I realised football meant American football.

Most of what he writes (including the part on the skycam) applies to soccer as well.

Maybe, but soccer doesn't have very many situations where there are ~14 players standing in spitting distance of each other and a 6 inch shift in the position of the ball or a single player has huge implications for the outcome of the game.

Re: Chuck Klosterman on why we've never actually seen a real football game

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Post by psadauskas »

cheschire wrote: post #13

Whenever I think it might be worth it to finally go watch an NFL game live, and I start looking at those ticket prices, I start to question if it's worth it or not. Then I get to the seat view simulator and instantly close the tab because holy hell are the "affordable" NFL seats absolutely terrible to watch a game from. Can you even see the player numbers let alone the names? I guess you need to be a big enough fan t…

I went to go see a Broncos game once about 10 years ago, it was $400 for a single ticket. I was in the top section, 3 rows from the back, I needed a Sherpa to help me get to my seat. I could tell there was a game of football being played down below me, but that was about it. I couldn't see the ball, I couldn't read any of the players' numbers, I couldn't see the refs hand signals. A beer and a hotdog was $30, and there was a 10-minute wait for the trough urinal in the bathroom. I was just watching the game on the jumbotron, which based on the distance was comparatively smaller than the TV in my living room.

The atmosphere was great, cheering with 75,000 other fans is exhilarating, but I haven't felt the need to go again. Soccer, hockey, basketball, baseball, I've all been to multiple times, the Denver stadiums for them are great, and the tickets and concessions aren't too expensive. Football is the only sport I really follow, but I'll never go to another game. The local high school is within walking distance, and a ticket is $5.

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