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ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by steele »

iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #60
therobots927 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All it took was a white mother (and US citizen) getting shot in broad daylight. As much as I hate to admit it, a large enough segment of the population needed something blatant like this to care.

Odd. I thought she was a legal observer. It is funny how quickly the narratives changed given how little traction was gained on 'observer' status.

She can be both, she will become lots of things over time depending on agenda. Her background was decidedly under-reported, for a few justifications, including preventing a preferred audience from sympathizing with the victim.

Not sure what your point is other than volume of information available increases over time.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by dandellion »

spicybright wrote: post #76
everdrive wrote: post #19

So this is getting to be pretty real and pretty scary. How many of you have actually considered just not using your mobile phone any longer? Turning it off, only powering it on when you need it, and not bringing it when you leave your home? Within a lot of our lifetimes, this was the norm. Are these devices so useful that put up with carrying a tracking / listening device on us at all time?

My only comment is being able to call emergency services wherever you are is very useful. Pre-cell phone times was just hoping there was a landline somewhere. And you weren't able to get instructions from the operator and be with a fallen person at the same time.

Can't you just put your phone in a shielded bag, and take it out if you need to use it?

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by [deleted] »

daheza wrote: post #22
icameron wrote: post #20

When I first heard the advice to ditch your phone when you go a protest, I thought maybe that's a little extreme. But it's a real threat. We already knew post Snowden there is an extensive big brother apparatus. We saw post 911 that all rights can be taken away in the name of counter-terrorism. Now with a government that's operating outside the law and labeling peaceful protesters as terrorists, I don't think we can…

If we all ditch our phones then how will we record the abuses of power?

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Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by ActorNightly »

embedding-shape wrote: post #45
icameron wrote: post #20

When I first heard the advice to ditch your phone when you go a protest, I thought maybe that's a little extreme. But it's a real threat. We already knew post Snowden there is an extensive big brother apparatus. We saw post 911 that all rights can be taken away in the name of counter-terrorism. Now with a government that's operating outside the law and labeling peaceful protesters as terrorists, I don't think we can…

Basically: if it has a modem in it, it can be used against you in some way. Phones, routers, cars, public signs, cameras. It's been so turbulent lately, that it's hard to register events that would have blown our minds if so many things didn't also happen around the same time. Remember when Israel made a bunch of pagers explode indiscriminately across Lebanon and Syria? So many things going on, one worse than the oth…

Its important to not be hyperbolic in these times.

The two technologies ICE uses rely on permission for apps tonuse geolocation data for advertising purposes. Same reason you start seeing ads for local things when you travel.

Technically they can subpoena cell records to see which towers your phone connects to, but this is not viable for multiple people.

For privacy, if you care, having a rooted degoogled phone with no sim card is sufficient enough. You can check its signature by using your laptop as a IGW and capturing traffic to see if any apps or services ping anything.

If you want off grid comms, meshtastic devices are very nice, me and my wife use LilyGo Tdeck pluses for comms and finding each other at festivals. The portable modems are also nice because you can use them for GPS for your phone vs built in location services.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by energy123 »

silisili wrote: post #17
phillipcarter wrote: post #3

The most maximally vindictive candidates are earning my votes in the coming election.

> most maximally vindictive candidates I think that's how we got to this point today, tbh.

Cost of living and social media. Populists are a symptom.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by newfriend »

cdrnsf wrote: post #66
newfriend wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Immigration can be enforced without murdering, gassing and viciously assaulting bystanders. Never mind the violations of human rights (like sending deportees to hellholes like CECOT), lying about citizen observers and continually having lawsuits tossed by grand juries. It's a rogue agency with no accountability that will continue to cause untold harm while making everyone less safe.

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Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by JKCalhoun »

therobots927 wrote: post #44
i80and wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A decade ago I put this stance into my LinkedIn profile tag line, and was a little surprised how many engineers reached out to praise that decision. I think it's rapidly, finally , entering the realm of political viability.

All it took was a white mother (and US citizen) getting shot in broad daylight. As much as I hate to admit it, a large enough segment of the population needed something blatant like this to care.

Video analysis is depressing: https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010631041/minneapolis...

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by chasd00 »

nemomarx wrote: post #5

Any tips on how to avoid this? I suppose those tin foil signal blockers might be useful?

Just leave your phone at home and bring a plain old small digital camera, agree ahead of time with friends on when and where to meet up. It's interesting to me and i guess showing my age that this isn't self evident to everyone everywhere.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by juuular »

filoleg wrote: post #59
nphardon wrote: post #27

M.I.A.'s clothing brand is looking real good now. There are others but hers was the first I heard about. Seems like the waist bag would be critical for activists. From the Ohmni website: "...fabric's work by utilizing the principles of a Faraday cage to block or shield against electrical signals, electromagnetic radiation (EMR), and radio frequency interference (RFI)."

>"[...] fabric's work by utilizing the principles of a Faraday cage to block or shield against electrical signals, electromagnetic radiation (EMR), and radio frequency interference (RFI)." But what's the point of bringing a phone at this point? Other comments mentioned valid points about tradeoffs of using an offline camera vs. a phone, with pro-phone arguments listing things like "being able to livestream and get th…

You can put it in your pocket and go somewhere else with less of a chance you'll be tracked
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