Any speculation on what the equivalent TSMC node is for Intel 18A?
tsmc n2 i think (2nm)
If it's still being updated the wikipedia article about semi fabrication has a table with some reasonably comparable numbers (when known) for Intel X and TSMC Y
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#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
It'd be interesting to see some market survey data showing the number of AI laptops sold & the number of users that actively use the acceleration capabilities for any task, even once.
I'm not sure I've ever heard of a single task that comes built into the system and uses the NPU.
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A lot of that is in the first party Mac and Windows apps.
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#93Clock speed? Hyperthreading? AVX512? APX?
AVX 2 according to:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/245716/...
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#94If they are going to be the most broadly adopted AI platform where does that leave nvidia? What is the AI PC platform? The experience on windows with windows 11 for just the basic UI of the start menu leaves a lot to be desired, is copilot adoption on windows that popular and does it take advantage of this AI PC platform? Ryzen AI 400 mobile CPU chips are also releasing soon (though RocM is still blah I think) Nvidia…
How broad your PC AI hardware adoption is matters little when the overwhelming majority of users use cloud hosted AI.
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#95I really, really want Intel to do well. I like their open oneAPI for unified CPU-GPU programming. It would be nice to have some competition/alternative against NVIDIA and TSMC. But I wont be investing time and money again on Intel while the same anti-engineering beancounter board is still there. For example, they never owned the recent Raptor Lake serious hardware issues and they never showed clients how this will ne…
Great point. This Board nearly destroyed one of the world's great tech companies and they are STILL in charge after not being held accountable or admitting their mistakes over the past decade +
The only reason INTC isn't in a death spiral is because the US Govt. won't let that happen
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#96> Today at CES, Intel unveiled Intel Core Ultra Series 3 processors, the first AI PC platform built on Intel 18A process technology that was designed and manufactured in the United States. Powering over 200 designs from leading, global partners, Series 3 will be the most broadly adopted and globally available AI PC platform Intel has ever delivered. What in the world is this disaster of an opening paragraph? From the…
It means they did cost cutting on Lunar Lake and are excited to sell a lot of them at similar or higher prices.
> cost cutting on Lunar Lake
It's... the launch vehicle for a new process. Literally the opposite of "cost cutting", they went through the trouble of tooling up a whole fab over multiple years to do this.
Will 18A beat TSMC and save the company? We don't know. But they put down a huge bet that it would, and this is the hand that got dealt. It's important, not something to be dismissed.
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#97I wonder how much of the funding that led to this came from the Biden-era Chips & Science Act? I can't find a straight answer amid the AI slop and marketing hype about both of them.
Update: Looks like Trump admin converted billions in unpaid CHIPS act grants into an equity in Intel last year https://techhq.com/news/intel-turnaround-strategy-panther-la...
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
It was a response to you specifically calling out the book suffix. And what was unclear iBook VS PowerBook?
The iBook store. Sorry, I thought you were saying that they don’t use model numbers at all. I think you were actually saying that they don’t just them for laptops.
"iBook" referred to a laptop from 1999 to 2006. "iBooks" referred to the eBook reader app and store from 2010 to 2019. I'll grant that there is some possibility for confusion, but only if the context of the conversation spans multiple decades but doesn't make it clear whether you're talking about hardware or software.
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And that root of all that shit lies Apple and the ‘book’ suffix.
Apple is very consistent. You have the MacBook Air (lighter, more portable variant) and the MacBook Pro (more expensive and powerful variant). They don’t mess around with model numbers.
Apple is so "consistent" the way to know which kind of an Air or Pro it is, is to find the tiny print on the bottom that's a jumble of letters like "MGNE3" and google it.
And depending on what you're trying to use it for, you need to map it to a string like "MacBookAir10,1" or "A2337" or "Macbook Air Late 2022".
Oh also the Macbook Air (2020) is a different processor architecture than Macbook Air (2020).
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Apple had the same problem before they launched the M1. Unless your workloads are extremely bursty the i9 MacBook is almost guaranteed to be slower than the base i7.
Even thier ultra efficent silicon didn't fully solve this; a 16" M4 Pro often outperforms a 14" M4 Max stuck throttling.
Are they throttling with the fan off? Because I don't recall ever hearing the fan on my M3 Max 14" (granted no heavy deliberate computational beyond regular dev work).