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Stellantis Is Spamming Owners' Screens with Pop-Up Ads for New Car Discounts

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Re: Stellantis Is Spamming Owners' Screens with Pop-Up Ads for New Car Discounts

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Post by estimator7292 »

CGMthrowaway wrote: post #70
kylehotchkiss wrote: post #60

it'd be cool if we had a more consumer-friendly admin who would ban advertising on long-term purchases like washing machines, fridges, cars or require you the seller to tell you about how the advertising works on said things (ad types, whether they are child friendly, frequency, and upfront option to permanently opt out)

Yes. This problem of in-vehicle ads definitely stems from the current president, and a different president can and will solve it for good. A multi-step config panel for these ads is exactly what we need.

The word "admin" in the above comment is short for "administration" which encompasses thousands of individuals across pretty much every branch and department of the government.

Re: Stellantis Is Spamming Owners' Screens with Pop-Up Ads for New Car Discounts

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Post by petre »

rightbyte wrote: post #72
willio58 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My partner recently bought a newer Subaru. It’s great, and when we looked it up we saw it had remote start. Turns out it’s behind a subscription. When I found that out I essentially wrote off Subaru as a brand for my future car purchases. Catch me driving my 2017 civic into the ground before I pay a freaking subscription for basic vehicle functionality

I agree with boycotting subscription looked down cars, but what is the point of remote start? Defrosting?

Gasing your neighbours and every living beign on a 100ft radius. I can't stand drivers that idle their cars while they're gone doing other stuff. Remote start should totally be a subscription feature, before it gets banned or regulated. Why? Because it's very annoying.

Re: Stellantis Is Spamming Owners' Screens with Pop-Up Ads for New Car Discounts

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Post by mikestew »

sudonanohome wrote: post #42
qball wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The attitude that the computers should always be subordinate to the driver also extends to the transmission.

100% manuals are the way to go if you want to feel like a driver, not a passenger. I love my manual Jetta Thing is, people are lazy. US market is automatics only. Can't make people understand what the clutch is or why slushbox is bad for fuel efficiency. No one cares. Gas guzzlers are the national idea My kid learned to drive a manual in 15 minutes. Too much effort for US drivers!

why slushbox is bad for fuel efficiency

Automatics have been more efficient than manuals for decades. And the computer can shift a DCT faster than you can. These days a manual tranny is right up there with hand-crank starting your car: if you enjoy it, great, but don’t get smug because people don’t want to manually adjust the spark advance.

Re: Stellantis Is Spamming Owners' Screens with Pop-Up Ads for New Car Discounts

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Post by treyd »

apparent wrote: post #76
willio58 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the age of push-to-start cars, yeah it does feel basic to me. If I can unlock my car with my key fob, why can’t I send a signal to start it? My 2017 Honda civic has it without a subscription so I was pretty shocked to learn that Subaru decided its customers would be cool with it being behind a pay-wall.

Are you looking to remote start from the fob, or from an app? I agree that if it's done via the fob, that shouldn't require a subscription. But I understand that something requiring a cell signal will usually be paid, one way or another. I prefer it not be baked into the cost of the car, since some people (me) will not want that feature.

Even if it was from an app, why can't I use wifi/bluetooth? Even if it depends on a relay server, why can't I load my own sim and run my own relay?

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Post by dotancohen »

morshu9001 wrote: post #84
willio58 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My partner recently bought a newer Subaru. It’s great, and when we looked it up we saw it had remote start. Turns out it’s behind a subscription. When I found that out I essentially wrote off Subaru as a brand for my future car purchases. Catch me driving my 2017 civic into the ground before I pay a freaking subscription for basic vehicle functionality

There was an article not long ago about a Subaru vuln that allowed anyone to remote start, track, or unlock any new Subaru

Interpretation The First: One does not need to subscribe to enjoy this functionality.

Interpretation The Second: These vehicles are maintained by a corporation that is both greedy and incompetent.

Re: Stellantis Is Spamming Owners' Screens with Pop-Up Ads for New Car Discounts

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Post by tremon »

hluska wrote: post #41
qball wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So nothing of value is lost.

If you consider updates to be zero value, sure.

I consider OTA updates to be of negative value, actually. If my car needs fixing, I'll bring it in for servicing. If it's not broken, I don't want my car tampered with.

Come back to me when there's a punitive liability model for OTA updates. If the garage manages to break something during, that's on the garage, not me. It should be the same for OTA updates: the company pushing the update should be liable for any failure and for providing replacement transportation if they manage to break my car with an update.

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