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KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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If that really meets my needs, that will pull me away from KDE to a wlroots based compositor. I'll try it later, thanks.

KRDP: https://invent.kde.org/plasma/krdp But it needs a logged-in session, you can't get access to the login manager.

I want to connect to a logged-in session; I can't get krdp to let me do it without me locally granting permissions though.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Isn't that wayvnc?

wayvnc works for wlroots-based Wayland compositors, sadly not all Wayland compositors are wlroots-based

Well, yes, the answer to basically any "can I do foo in Wayland" is "as long as you're on compositor bar or baz" because it was built in a way that guarantees fragmentation. There isn't a single way to take a screenshot, of course remote desktop is fragmented. But wayvnc is a good answer to the question, even including that caveat.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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post #90

Well, it's been a nice run. I've loved KDE since 2008 because it provided a lot of useful features (though its advantage over GNOME 2 was minimal at the time; it only became the obvious choice with the self-inflicted fall of GNOME 3). But if KDE is no longer willing to provide the single most important feature of all - actually working in the first place, rather than just denying that bugs exist - I guess I'll have t…

X is basically going away. The maintenance on it is going to drop off really hard once KDE moves away from it too.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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post #14

As a fvwm user, if Linux forces Wayland on me, I guess my 30 year use of Linux may be coming to an end. Oh well.

I find your comment a bit funny on multiple levels. "Linux" does not force anything on you right? It's the community that has by and large decided to move to maintaining other solutions. If you still want to use fvwm you can still run it on arch with x11 until x11 is not maintained and the kernel breaks it somehow

"Linux" is mostly controlled by a few corporations and their interests. It's been a loooooooooong time since it was a grass roots movement.

I don't know about you, but corporate dictates always leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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I live in a cave and am not a system programmer -- what's so wrong with X11 so people need to replace it with something else instead of improving it? Or, what's so wrong with anything so people need to replace it with something else instead of improving it? Let's say I'm an old man favoring improving existing stuffs instead of starting from scratch. I like debugging and wish to work as a sys programmer specialized in…

I might try to explain with some examples. 1) it would really be nice to renovate that old house in the city center of an old Italian town! Oh but hold and behold: you'd have to spend hours, days, months, even years (I am not kidding) just waiting for approval and agreeing on what you can and cannot do with the house. And it would cost twice as much as building a new one. And the new one would have better insulation…

Thanks! These are all valid points although I'm looking for more technical answers -- but these are good enough!

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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The formula is DPI ÷ 96. 100% is 96 dpi, 125% is 120 dpi.

My monitor DPI is 70. 70/96 is 0.73, but there doesn't seem to be a way to set 73%?

I could set my screen to 75%, not really 73% but close may be?

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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I tried Wayland earlier today on my home lab with Plasma and FreeBSD. It seemed pretty great for a bit and ran my monitor at 120Hz. Until it hard crashed my machine after I opened discord in firefox. Konqueror crashed on opening.

Yes, Wayland is broken by design, since a single crash takes down the whole desktop; unlike other Wayland complaints, this one fundamentally will never be fixed. This is unlike X11, where it was very common to recover from the inevitable single-component crashes.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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> a few weird crashes To OP's point, assuming it's limited to Wayland, this seems reasonable to call out as "doesn't work properly".

I think it might be more of a Discord problem. I've experienced "a few weird crashes" on Windows, Mac, and Wayland GNOME. Windows being the most problematic in general.

idk how we can blame some JavaScript and html inside Firefox causing a Wayland crash as Discord’s fault. They’re like 9000 layers of abstraction away from whatever SIGSEGV caused the crash
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