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KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Post by cupofjoakim »

jmclnx wrote: post #14

As a fvwm user, if Linux forces Wayland on me, I guess my 30 year use of Linux may be coming to an end. Oh well.

I find your comment a bit funny on multiple levels. "Linux" does not force anything on you right? It's the community that has by and large decided to move to maintaining other solutions. If you still want to use fvwm you can still run it on arch with x11 until x11 is not maintained and the kernel breaks it somehow

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

This is a real shame. I'm using X11 still because Discord doesn't work properly with Wayland, and the alternative (Vesktop) doesn't support keybinds when the window isn't focused. Since my distro (Arch) doesn't support holding back packages, I guess I'll have to switch distros entirely so that my Discord setup stays working. :/

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Post by aseipp »

jmclnx wrote: post #14

As a fvwm user, if Linux forces Wayland on me, I guess my 30 year use of Linux may be coming to an end. Oh well.

For users of older window managers on newer distros where X is likely to be removed "soon-ish" (vs LTS distros), the answer is to just use Wayback. It is a different X11 server implementation that uses Wayland under the hood, and is enough to run your WM. There are already people who use it to run AwesomeWM, IceWM, etc: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayback/wayback

That said, you cannot run Wayland apps this way, it is purely for X11 only. If applications/rendering toolkits remove X11 support, you're out of luck. But Wayback may actually be a reason for some of them to keep maintaining X11 backends a bit longer, anyway.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Post by galleywest200 »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #22

This is a real shame. I'm using X11 still because Discord doesn't work properly with Wayland, and the alternative (Vesktop) doesn't support keybinds when the window isn't focused. Since my distro (Arch) doesn't support holding back packages, I guess I'll have to switch distros entirely so that my Discord setup stays working. :/

I use Discord in-browser on my Arch setup. Seems to work OK.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Post by nhumrich »

kanbankaren wrote: post #17

Wayland has still no way to set DPI of multiple monitors. The fonts look terrible on it. I had to move to KDE Plasma on X11 ever since GNOME started forcing Wayland on us. I guess I have to buy a 4K monitor in future.

Sure it does. I have that set right now... Fonts looking terrible seems to only be when using an x app on wayland

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Post by kataklasm »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #22

This is a real shame. I'm using X11 still because Discord doesn't work properly with Wayland, and the alternative (Vesktop) doesn't support keybinds when the window isn't focused. Since my distro (Arch) doesn't support holding back packages, I guess I'll have to switch distros entirely so that my Discord setup stays working. :/

What's not working for you? I have only used Discord a handful of times since switching to wayland and nothing egregious stood out. In fact, I had way no issues at all when I had tons back on X11 with Discord. Could very well be due to my low Discord usage until now though :)

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Post by cosarara »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #22

This is a real shame. I'm using X11 still because Discord doesn't work properly with Wayland, and the alternative (Vesktop) doesn't support keybinds when the window isn't focused. Since my distro (Arch) doesn't support holding back packages, I guess I'll have to switch distros entirely so that my Discord setup stays working. :/

You can use IgnorePkg in pacman.conf. Things might break, but the feature exists.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Post by thewebguyd »

kanbankaren wrote: post #17

Wayland has still no way to set DPI of multiple monitors. The fonts look terrible on it. I had to move to KDE Plasma on X11 ever since GNOME started forcing Wayland on us. I guess I have to buy a 4K monitor in future.

If you haven't tried KDE on Wayland in a while, do try it. Fonts looking terrible on Wayland was a GNOME thing, and KDE/Kwin handles display scaling and mixed DPI fine, GNOME/Mutter didn't until very recently.

KDE had the setting to allow X11 apps to scale themselves (no more blurry XWayland apps) years ahead of GNOME.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Post by mx7zysuj4xew »

theoldgreybeard wrote: post #13
artisin wrote: post #4

As an X11 holdout, my time seems nigh.

The future is now old man.

Why do you think it's acceptable to insult someone when they have a legitimate concern regarding a software defect?
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