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Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by dragonelite »

croes wrote: post #32
lazyeye wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our leaders in the West have been very naive. Also the Chinese "elite capture" program has been very effective.

You mean old we-don’t-care-bout-human-and-environmental-rights trick? Let’s face it, nobody would care if China just would be a subordinate receiver of orders. As soon they became a competitor there was a problem

China was suppose to become a giant sweatshop which would be allowed to gain subsistence wealth. Just enough to produce and consume western product but not wealthy enough to ever outgrow their station in the world.

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by dragonelite »

coliveira wrote: post #52
anonporridge wrote: post #33

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The rise of China has done a lot to destroy the neoliberal, globalist dream. Letting them cheat the globalist system (e.g. violating IP laws, human rights violations, Uyghur/Tibetan genocide) may have been fine when they were desperately poor, but there was always an implicit assumption that they would eventually start playing by the rules and culturally liberalize. But they're not. How can we hold onto ideals like "…

So this shows how much the West considers liberalism and open markets to be its "values" when they throw that completely away when they're economically threatened. This tells me that in hardship is when people show their true colors. The money is the true "value", everything else is just a side show.

Its quiet easy to understand, you can be liberal and free so long as wealth keeps flowing into your part of the world. What are you going to do make fun of becoming more wealthier.

The liberalism and freedom stops once too much money flows out of your part of the world, hence companies like palantir popping up like mushrooms. No one likes to be made fun of when they are in a declining trajectory.

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by Zigurd »

throw0101c wrote: post #87
9cb14c1ec0 wrote: post #23

Is 6G even a thing? From either a bandwidth demand perspective or a financial perspective? Every US wireless service just about bankrupted themselves rolling out 5G.

> Is 6G even a thing? Currently being researched: > 6G aims to achieve higher data rates, lower latency, and greater energy efficiency than 5G.[8] Planned advances include new air interface designs, improved coding and modulation, and reconfigurable intelligent surfaces.[9] Research also explores integration with satellite, Wi-Fi, and non-terrestrial networks, as well as distributed edge computing for AR, VR, and AI…

5G is a thing (5Ge excepted). 6G is aspirational and recycling use cases that go all the way back to 3G, like telesurgery. It's going to stay aspirational at least until 5G millimeter wave really works and can be widely deployed.

"According to the NGMN Alliance, 6G development should focus on demonstrable user needs and avoid unnecessary replacement of existing 5G radio access network equipment."

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by like_any_other »

NoiseBert69 wrote: post #4
juliusceasar wrote: post #3

Better late than never. China has so many anti-Foreigner laws for doing business in China. West has made China rich and powerful in exchange for cheap labour.

I'd more say: they made clear rules if you want to play business in China. Europe never set any boundaries. Honestly our fault.

> they made clear rules if you want to play business in China.

Not really:

https://www.hudson.org/technology/china-ignores-rule-of-law-...

Apple CEO Tim Cook "secretly" signed an agreement worth more than $275 billion with Chinese officials, promising that Apple would help to develop China's economy and technological capabilities - https://www.macrumors.com/2021/12/07/apple-ceo-tim-cook-secr...

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by neko_ranger »

dragonelite wrote: post #90
daneel_w wrote: post #22

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It's an east vs west thing.

More like west vs rest of the world. Its cold war round 2 but this time its the west that is starting to hide behind a iron/cyber wall.

lmao China is already in a cyber wall. What's wrong with building defenses if your opponent already has? What have they built the defenses for?

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by Zigurd »

ta12653421 wrote: post #51
jquery wrote: post #46

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No, just no. I get where you’re coming from, but I disagree in the strongest terms that copying China is the way forward. Closed, centralized models can scale quickly, as China did, but open models generate more frontier innovation and resilience. Iirc, nearly half of our unicorns have immigrant founders. Sure, let’s harden IP and other trade laws, and punish China for violations (start treating them as an adult, a n…

this is what most WEIRD people do not understand: (Western-Educated-Industrial-Rich-Democratic) - by today it looks like that the Chinese system may proof to be more "performant" on most/several (all?) levels. Its hard to accept for libertarian minds, i guess. Once here on HN someone wrote like: "democratic systems seems to be too slow to adapt in world changing at our current speed". China did some vey wise decision…

Remember 10 foot tall Ivan? Apart from eugenics experiments on the basketball court, neither are the Chinese. In light of gross over-spending on showcase infrastructure projects, and overbuilding housing where people don't want to live, over-praising the CCP's system for training and promoting leaders is not going to make assessments of China more accurate.

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by iso1631 »

mschuster91 wrote: post #6
wnevets wrote: post #5

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Is that commonplace in Germany?

Sadly yes, cheap crap tends to be Huawei. Everyone with a modicum of technical understanding goes for a Fritzbox though.

I've only encountered a fritzbox in Germany, it's amazing how ubiquitous they are in Germany, yet so unknown elsewhere in Europe let alone elsewhere.

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by iso1631 »

MangoToupe wrote: post #81

So fun that the west is moving in a direction where we are subject to all the negatives of both capitalism (wealth consolidation) and socialism (lack of competition).

Unchecked capitalism inevitably leads to a lack of competition, it's just a matter of who gets the benefits.

The west went wrong when it stopped checking capitalism

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by Zigurd »

mannanj wrote: post #17

Why 6g? who asked for it? I am content with 4g, 5g was a push as it was.

Unless you live in an urban environment where millimeter wave is competently deployed, you should curb your contentment with 5G. 6G sounds like a distraction from the lack of full 5G capabilities in most places.
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