Racism and Xenophobia, that's how. Same thing with Huawei, and Xiaomi, and BYD.
Lol. So it has nothing to do with corporate spying from China for the last two decades?
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#92I'm not at all surprised, US agencies have long since been political tools whenever the subject matter crosses national borders. I appreciate this take as someone who has been skeptical of Chinese electronics. While I agree this report is BS and xenophobic, I am still willing to bet that either now or later, the Chinese will attempt some kind of subterfuge via LLMs if they have enough control. Just like the US would,…
This might happen at an api level in the sense that when deepseek was launched, and it was so overwhelmed and you were in the waiting line in their website
If your prompt had something like xi jinping needs it or something then it would've actually bypassed that restriction. Not sure if it was a glitch lol.
Now, regarding your comment. There is nothing to suggest that the same isn't happening in the "american" world which is getting extreme from within as well.
Like, If you are worried about this which might be reasonable and unreasonable at the same time, we have to discuss to find it out, then you can also believe that with the insane power that Trump is leveraging over AI companies, the same thing might happen over prompts which could somehow discover your political beliefs and then do the same...
This can actually be more undetected for american models because they are usually closed source and I am sure that someone would've detected something like this, whether from a whistleblower or something if something like this indeed happened in chinese open weights models generally speaking.
I don't think that there is a simple narrative like america good china bad, the world is changing and its becoming multi polar. Countries should think in their best interests and not be worried about annoying any of the world power if done respectfully. I think that in this world, every country should try to look for the perfect equibria for trust as the world / nations (america) can quickly turn into untrusted partners and it would be best for countries to move forward into a world where they don't have to worry about the politics in other countries.
I wish UN could've done a better job at this.
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
Try MS Copilot. That shit will end the conversation if anything remotely political comes up.
As long as it excludes politics in general, without overt partisan bias demanded by the government, what's the problem with that? If they want to focus on other subjects, they get to do that. Other models will provide answers where Copilot doesn't. Chinese models, conversely, are aligned with explicit, mandatory guardrails to exalt the CCP and socialism in general. Unless you count prohibitions against adult material…
Because it's in the ruling class's favor for the populace to be uninformed.
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#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not sure how it’s rational if you don’t extend the same distaste to our authoritarian government. Concentration camps, genocide, suppressing free speech, suspending due process. That’s what it’s up to these days. To say nothing of the effectively dictatorial control the ultra wealthy have over public policy. Sinophobia is a distraction from our problems at home. That’s its purpose.
That's whataboutism at its purest. It's perfectly possible to criticize any government, whether your own or foreign. Claiming that every criticism is tantamount to racism is what's distracting from discussing actual problems.
You’re misunderstanding me. My point is if we were to have sincere solidarity with Chinese people against the international ruling class we would look at our domestic members of that class first. That is simply the practical approach to the problem.
The function of the administration’s demonization of China (it’s Sinophobia) is to 1) distract us from what our rulers have been doing to us domestically and 2) to inspire support for poorly thought out belligerence (war being a core tenet of our foreign policy).
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#95People. Who has taken the time to read the original report? You are smarter than believing at face value the last thing you heard. Come on.
Sadly, most people would rather allow someone else to tell them what to think and feel than make up their own mind. Plus, we're easily swayed if we're already sympathetic to their views, or even their persona.
It's no wonder propaganda, advertising, and disinformation work as well as they do.
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
What about a rational distaste for the CCP?
Not sure how it’s rational if you don’t extend the same distaste to our authoritarian government. Concentration camps, genocide, suppressing free speech, suspending due process. That’s what it’s up to these days. To say nothing of the effectively dictatorial control the ultra wealthy have over public policy. Sinophobia is a distraction from our problems at home. That’s its purpose.
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#97Meenwhile Europe is sandwiched between these two aweful governments
The implication being that Europe is not its own conglomeration of awful governments? Your European snobbery is odious to the core.
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#98Title changed?
Title is: The Demonization of DeepSeek - How NIST Turned Open Science into a Security Scare
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#99The CCP literally revoked the visas of key DeepSeek engineers. That's all we need to know.
Didn't the US revoke the visas of around 80 Palestinian officials scheduled to speak at the UN summit?
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#100This post's description of the report it's denouncing does not match what I got out of actually reading that report myself.
In a funny way, even the comments on the post here don't match what the post actually says. The writer of the post tries to frame it as an attack towards open source, which is honestly a hard to believe story, whereas the comments here correctly (in my opinion) consider the possible problems Chinese influence might pose.