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California governor signs AI transparency bill into law

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Re: California governor signs AI transparency bill into law

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Copied from the end of the page: What the law does: SB 53 establishes new requirements for frontier AI developers creating stronger: Transparency: Requires large frontier developers to publicly publish a framework on its website describing how the company has incorporated national standards, international standards, and industry-consensus best practices into its frontier AI framework. Innovation: Establishes a new co…

and what nobody seems to notice, that last part looks like it was generated by Anthropic's Claude (it likes to make bolded lists with check emojis, structured exactly in that manner). Kind of scary implying that they could be letting these models draft legislation

Legislators around the world have been doing that for a while now.

Re: California governor signs AI transparency bill into law

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I found this website with the actual bill text along with annotations [0]. The section 22757.12. seems to contain the actual details of what they mean by "transparency". [0] https://sb53.info/

> “Artificial intelligence model” means an engineered or machine-based system that varies in its level of autonomy and that can, for explicit or implicit objectives, infer from the input it receives how to generate outputs that can influence physical or virtual environments. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like this definition covers basically all automation of any kind. Like, a dumb lawnmower responds to the…

If a single design of automated lawnmower cut off 50 toes it should absolutely be investigated.

Perhaps the result of that investigation is there is no fault on the machine, but you don't know that until you've looked.

Re: California governor signs AI transparency bill into law

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I’d rather pay real human authors and artists for their creativity than openAI. As it is, I would never pay for an AI written textbook. And yet who will write the textbooks of tomorrow?

I'd rather not pay OpenAI either. I'll stick with my open-weights models, and I rather anachronistic rent-seeking not kill those. You're not getting a cent from OpenAI, and the government isn't going to do anything about it. Just get over it.

All of them are trained on copyrighted data. Why is it okay for a model to serve up paraphrased books but verbatim copies from the Pirate Bay are illegal?

I don’t deny the utility of LLMs. But copyright law was meant to protect authors from this kind of exploitation.

Imagine instead of “magical AGI knowledge compression”, instead these LLM providers just did a search over their “borrowed” corpus and then performed a light paraphrasing of it.

Re: California governor signs AI transparency bill into law

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This is censorship with extra steps. Look at what the bill actually requires. Companies have to publish frameworks showing how they "mitigate catastrophic risk" and implement "safety protocols" for "dangerous capabilities." That sounds reasonable until you realize the government is now defining what counts as dangerous and requiring private companies to build systems that restrict those outputs. The Supreme Court alr…

> Add in the narrow exceptions like child porn and true threats, and that's it.

You're contradicting yourself. On the one hand you're saying that governments shouldn't have the power to define "safety", but you're in favor of having protections against "true threats".

How do you define "true threats"? Whatever definition you may have, surely something like it can be codified into law. The questions then are: how loose or strict the law should be, and how well it is defined in technical terms. Considering governments and legislators are shockingly tech illiterate, the best the technical community can do is offer assistance.

> The government doesn't get to create new categories of "dangerous speech" just because the technology is new.

This technology isn't just new. It is unlike any technology we've had before, with complex implications for the economy, communication, the labor market, and many other areas of human society. We haven't even begun to understand the ways in which it can be used or abused to harm people, let alone the long-term effects of it.

The idea that governments should stay out of this, and allow corporations to push their products out into the world without any oversight, is dreadful. We know what happens when corporations are given free reign; it never ends well for humanity.

I'm not one to trust governments either, but at the very least, they are (meant to) serve their citizens, and enforce certain safety standards that companies must comply with. We accept this in every other industry, yet you want them to stay out of tech and AI? To hell with that.

Frankly, I'm not sure if this CA regulation is a good thing or not. Any AI law will surely need to be refined over time, as we learn more about the potential uses and harms of this technology. But we definitely need more regulation in the tech industry, not less, and the sooner, the better.

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>You're not getting a cent from OpenAI, and the government isn't going to do anything about it. Just get over it Can hackers imagine saying this last decade when pertaining to Facebook harvesting your data? It's a shame how much this community has fallen into the very grifts they used to call out.

Hackers shilling for copyright is a funny picture.

Information wants to be free, right?

Except in this case after robbing humanity’s collective knowledge repository OpenAI and its ilk want to charge for access to it, and completely destroyed the economic incentive for any further human development.

Re: California governor signs AI transparency bill into law

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This is censorship with extra steps. Look at what the bill actually requires. Companies have to publish frameworks showing how they "mitigate catastrophic risk" and implement "safety protocols" for "dangerous capabilities." That sounds reasonable until you realize the government is now defining what counts as dangerous and requiring private companies to build systems that restrict those outputs. The Supreme Court alr…

Good post. It's not even about the rights of the LLM or the corporation, but of the people who will be using these tools.

Imagine if the government went to megaphone manufacturers and demanded that the megaphones never amplify words the government doesn't like. "Megaphones don't have rights so this isn't a problem", the smooth brained internet commenters smugly explain, while the citizens who want to use megaphones find their speech through the tool limited by the governments arbitrary and ever changing decrees.

As for the government having a right to regulate tools, would a regulation that modern printing presses recognize and refuse to print offensive content really fly with you defending this? The foremost contemporary tool for amplifying speech, the press is named right in the first ammendment. "Regulating tools" in a way that happens to restrict the way citizens can use that tool for their own speech is bullshit. This is flagrantly unconstitutional.

Re: California governor signs AI transparency bill into law

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This is censorship with extra steps. Look at what the bill actually requires. Companies have to publish frameworks showing how they "mitigate catastrophic risk" and implement "safety protocols" for "dangerous capabilities." That sounds reasonable until you realize the government is now defining what counts as dangerous and requiring private companies to build systems that restrict those outputs. The Supreme Court alr…

It is already illegal under 18 USC § 842 to provide bomb-making instructions or similar with the knowledge or intent that said instructions will be used to commit a crime. The intent is to balance free speech with the probability of actual harm. AIs do not have freedom of speech, and even if they did, it is entirely within the bounds of the Constitution to mitigate this freedom as we already do for humans. Government…

If you look at the LLMs as a new kind of fuzzy search engine instead of focusing on the fact that they're pretty good at producing human text, you can see it's not about whether the LLMs have a right to "speak", it's whether you have a right to see uncensored results.

Imagine going to the library and the card catalog had been purged of any references to books that weren't government approved.

Re: California governor signs AI transparency bill into law

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Geoblocking the economy that’s the largest in the US and fourth largest in the world (if it were a country) over some kid gloves regulations would be phenomenally stupid.

What else I could possibly do if complying is not technically possible?

It’s not technically possible to publish a couple of documents?
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