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What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by ofrzeta »

lm28469 wrote: post #30
ofrzeta wrote: post #9

Maybe off-topic and patronizing .. sorry about that. "Running around in the woods, firing small plastic pellets at other people, in pursuit of a contrived-to-be-fun mission, turns out to be, well, fun." I was wondering if there are no biodegradable bullets for Airsoft and found out that they exist. Maybe a better solution than plastic in the woods.

They make PLA ones, advertised as biodegradable, but AFAIK the settings for them to biodegrade never happen in nature, it's ever so slightly better than the alternatives but far from perfect, or even good. https://www.filamentive.com/the-truth-about-the-biodegradabi... > PLA is only biodegradable under industrial composting conditions and anaerobic digestion – there is no evidence of PLA being biodegradable in soil,…

Yeah, that's a bit of a sham. I was thinking like compressed paper or something.

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by mcv »

lm28469 wrote: post #30
ofrzeta wrote: post #9

Maybe off-topic and patronizing .. sorry about that. "Running around in the woods, firing small plastic pellets at other people, in pursuit of a contrived-to-be-fun mission, turns out to be, well, fun." I was wondering if there are no biodegradable bullets for Airsoft and found out that they exist. Maybe a better solution than plastic in the woods.

They make PLA ones, advertised as biodegradable, but AFAIK the settings for them to biodegrade never happen in nature, it's ever so slightly better than the alternatives but far from perfect, or even good. https://www.filamentive.com/the-truth-about-the-biodegradabi... > PLA is only biodegradable under industrial composting conditions and anaerobic digestion – there is no evidence of PLA being biodegradable in soil,…

I read up on PLA when I got my 3D printer because it's popular material for that. From what I understand, it's biodegradable above 50° C. Not something you'll find outside Death Valley. Still better than most other options, but it would be nice if we had something that was stable for weeks and then degrades nicely.

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by squigz »

eterm wrote: post #29

I wonder if it's a generational or cultural difference present in the comments here. I am sympathetic to the author, and I also find video a bit invasive of privacy in a way that photos aren't. I therefore find the (obviously common) attitude that videos are just "something you need to accept" quite alien, but I wonder how much of that attitude is just comments coming from a younger generation that have grown up with…

> There's also a big difference in my mind between, "You might be filmed on occassion" and, "A recording of this goes up on youtube every single week".

And there's such a focus on the law and expectation of privacy in public places in these comments. There's a huge difference between someone complaining about being recorded in a small hobby community and complaining about being filmed on a public street.

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by rs186 »

> well, if you don’t want to be in photos published online, don’t be in public spaces

That's the correct answer. End of the story.

It is our consensus of what "public space" means and one can do with it (which varies depending on where you are) that forms a lot of our social norms and society. It is why hang drying clothes is acceptable/normal in many parts of the world but not in the US. It is why people are expected to wear at least some clothes. It is why you can take photos of random people, including kids, without their/their parents' consent in the US in public space.

If you think you are so special to never show up in a photo, don't be in the public in the first, or wear a mask, a hat plus sunglasses or something else. Celebrities have been doing this for forever.

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Post by crazygringo »

andersa wrote: post #87
crazygringo wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, thanks for being honest. That's not a world I would want to live in, and I guess I'm thankful most other people don't either. The ability to photograph is important for accountability and truth in a democracy, it's important to families wanting to document and share their trips easily, and it's important for art, among many other things. Fundamentally, it feels like a kind of freedom to me. But it's interesting…

You can do all of those things without creating a public record of me.

What if I can't?

What if you're in the photo? What if you're doing something newsworthy? Or what if you're right behind the person doing something newsworthy?

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by sandblast »

haskellshill wrote: post #73
tietjens wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this argument is logically flawed. When you say public means not private you are glossing over the fact that public never before meant "available via digital media to the world." Instead it mean a public which had a localized context. Doesn't mean you are wrong, but you're paving over this obvious fact.

But what practical difference does it have that it's "available via digital media to the world."? Are you just opposed to people not in your physical location seeing you? Why?

I think it's similar to the difference between "the cop watching me when I'm near them and are aware of it" and "the cop watching me all the time, wherever I go and I can't know anything about this" (which would be impossible before cameras).

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Post by pitt1980 »

sharperguy wrote: post #60
jen729w wrote: post #11

I get it, but the alternative is what? Get model release forms from anyone in a public space every time you turn your video camera on? Who's to say how much of you I have in the shot? Do you feature? Did you flash by? Are you blurred? Recognisable? I was shooting video of a car park exit last year. (I was trying to prove to the shopping centre owners that it was dangerous.) Mundane footage. Some lady drives out in he…

The venues for these things are private and so they can set their own rules. The author proposes a rule: A simple purple lanyard indicating that you don't wish to be included in the published film. This doesn't necessarily need to be an article, because the author could have just handled it with each venue individually, but this just gets the conversation going about general sentiment and wider applicability. My gues…

Aren’t these venues small businesses that very much appreciate whatever publicity someone sharing their venue on social media gives them?

I guess they can weigh that against their customers desire for privacy.

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by Gigachad »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #70
spicyusername wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My kids are in elementary and middle school and there was an occasion where they were at a birthday party where an older sibling was live streaming the event. Both my kids (and me) found it very off-putting, so there's some anecdata that at least some young kids still feel it's an invasion of privacy. Maybe not all is lost.

My own anecdotal experience is that the generational gap is actually the inverse of what was described above. Younger people seem to be very much moree acutely aware of the dangers of publicity and much more guarded about what they do in public if it could potentially end up online.

Everything has moved to private spaces now. Friend discord groups, private social media accounts, etc.

The age of posting on Facebook under your real name with privacy settings public is long gone because of the numerous obvious risks.

But just being seen in a small segment of a YouTube video with no name is a pretty minor risk.

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by mcv »

trollbridge wrote: post #43

I'm not nearly as strict: I just prefer that pictures of my kids not be uploaded to social media (or cloud photo hosting services, etc.) Regardless of that, some strangers think it's fine to take pictures of them in public... sometimes they ask first, sometimes they don't.

In Netherland schools have to ask for permission to use photos of your children on social media or elsewhere. I have no idea if the same holds true for non-schools.
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