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Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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Post by mslansn »

KronisLV wrote: post #13

I have to say that after switching to Windows 11, I don't hate it as much as I thought I would. I'm still a bit upset that they took away vertical taskbars from us, but some things like multi-GPU support is better than in Windows 10: https://blog.kronis.dev/blog/what-is-ruining-dual-gpu-setups On the other hand, for whatever reason Windows 11 right now refuses to install updates (I think the logs complained about the…

You can use StartAllBack to get back the regular taskbar which can be used in vertical mode.

Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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Post by throawayonthe »

leptons wrote: post #85
Xelbair wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

anecdotal evidence, but even my non-IT friends prefer to try out Linux than upgrade to w11. Meanwhile most corporate already swapped to w11. 53% is a huge failure on MS part, but that's what happens when you design OS to be a bad copy of your competition.

The "bad copy of your competition" is probably in relation to the Windows 11 program launcher that resembles the centered design of the MacOS launcher. But that can be easily removed using tools like Explorer Patcher and Open Shell. https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu The thing that made me switch to Linux is Microsoft's pushing AI into everything. I do not want th…

windows 11 looks like a KDE rice

Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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Post by cjbgkagh »

leptons wrote: post #85
Xelbair wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

anecdotal evidence, but even my non-IT friends prefer to try out Linux than upgrade to w11. Meanwhile most corporate already swapped to w11. 53% is a huge failure on MS part, but that's what happens when you design OS to be a bad copy of your competition.

The "bad copy of your competition" is probably in relation to the Windows 11 program launcher that resembles the centered design of the MacOS launcher. But that can be easily removed using tools like Explorer Patcher and Open Shell. https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu The thing that made me switch to Linux is Microsoft's pushing AI into everything. I do not want th…

When I made a complaint about their UI changes being unintuitive the response was that the intent was to make Windows more familiar to people un-familiar to Windows, as in make it more familiar to those who use Macs.

They assume existing windows users are a captured audience and are trying to capture the Mac market without realizing that they're instead making everything much worse.

Though now ironically with Apple going the whole 'glass' detour people using Macs may be more familiar with Windows. Could be a win for the Microsoft fast follower strategy - so what do I know. I wouldn't have bet on Apple fumbling but here we are. I still prefer Linux to both Apple and Windows.

Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

jakub_g wrote: post #60

I bought my parents a Dell laptop in 2019/2020. It has 7th gen i3 so just below the Windows 11 threshold. The machine is in perfect shape as it's used a few times per month max for watching YouTube or some online banking, or occasional LibreOffice usage. I don't want to generate electronic waste, what would you recommend? Installing Linux Mint? Note: I'm far from my parents so can't do IT support. Edit: also occasion…

>I bought my parents a Dell laptop in 2019/2020. It has 7th gen i3

7th gen came out in 2016. Why did you buy your parents a system with a 3-4 old CPU? Nothing wrong with buying old stuff if that's what you're into or what you can afford, but then you have to take into account the risk of less SW support when buying old HW, since now that CPU is 9 years old and no HW gets supported forever. Hence the saying "you buy cheap, you buy twice". Just install Linux on it.

Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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Post by p_ing »

fluidcruft wrote: post #74
Xelbair wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

anecdotal evidence, but even my non-IT friends prefer to try out Linux than upgrade to w11. Meanwhile most corporate already swapped to w11. 53% is a huge failure on MS part, but that's what happens when you design OS to be a bad copy of your competition.

Don't forget Windows 10 was marketed by Microsoft as the final version of Windows. Plenty of people are probably fed up with Microsoft's games.

It was never marketed as such; it was a single dev evangelist running their mouth.

Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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Post by p_ing »

fibonacci112358 wrote: post #89
blibble wrote: post #71

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odds are they'll push out an update that requires a CPU feature not present on that CPU then GP parents' machine will just bluescreen at boot with illegal instruction

They won't, Windows isn't even compiled with AVX2 extensions on, even though every CPU in the last 10y+ supports it, for the fear of it running on some machine that doesn't have AVX2. The whole "CPU unsupported" thing is from the marketing side, trying to push purchase of new hardware, not from the actual devs.

No, it’s not marketing. A big security feature is VBS which isn’t supported on older CPUs.

Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

d0100 wrote: post #70
eviks wrote: post #14

> Microsoft's efforts do seem to be paying off (or, at least, some combination of Microsoft's efforts and Windows 10 PCs naturally aging out of the install base). While Windows 10 is still running on the majority of Windows PCs worldwide (about 53 percent, according to Statcounter's May 2025 data) 53% is huge mere months away from the end, and actually means that the efforts have resoundingly failed.

I'm still on a i7 4770k, waiting for non-bugged intel CPU's to launch, and upgrading to Win11 always fails

>waiting for non-bugged intel CPU's to launch

What?!

Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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Post by dspillett »

vel0city wrote: post #65
throwaway48476 wrote: post #42

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An OS with electron components is just absurd. They laid off all the competent employees who knew how to write c++.

They've been using webview components since 1997.

Slapping a webview component into a native app is a lot less heavy than a full election app.

A lot heavier than not at all, of course, and webview felt heavy handed back then like election for OS components feels now, I feel a lesson has not been learned…

Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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Post by discostrings »

goosedragons wrote: post #87
mystified5016 wrote: post #52

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That's paying for them with your time. You'd be better off spending that time earning money for yourself instead of Microsoft's ad network

It's literally like 5 min a day. Not even. They just cap how many points you can earn in a day.

For many, and hopefully increasingly more and more of us, time and attention can be more valuable than money.

Manipulating our behavior to develop familiarity with a product by seeding the habit of using it as an ad-clicking serf and nurturing that habit by drawing it out across a series of days as the means of acquiring security for our tools and information is a coercive and corrosive exchange.

It's designed to seem like such a small thing that it's benign, as if attention is worth infinitely less than money. By changing us, forming new and often bad habits, and extracting ongoing attention interest payments without us noticing, the cost can end up being far greater.

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