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China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by katmannthree »

scrollaway wrote: post #57
katmannthree wrote: post #56

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What’s your take on near-term stability for American immigrants in Europe? I was looking at options for moving last year but the work visa situation seemed fairly precarious (although that’s a relative thing in comparison with what may end up happening here in the US).

Personally I’m pushing my (Belgian) government hard to provide a streamlined path for American immigrants, especially tech workers. In general, it’s easy, just highly bureaucratic. If you compare to what most other countries have to go through, getting a work visa as a skilled us citizen is quick.

As one of the many Americans who wants to contribute to a society whose values match their own, thank you. Is there somewhere to follow your efforts in that front?

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by SVOligarch »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #48

Why does the US still allow Chinese nationals to study at its universities and work at its companies? Seems like a big risk that cutting edge research and trade secrets will go to America’s main adversary. Industrial espionage by China has a long history, and China has more valuable things to steal from America than the other way.

Agreed, who needs engineering talent when we can just hire some H1Bs and let them and Copilot do all the work? Unlike the Chinese, H1Bs don't want to be sent on a plane back home to their 3rd world country so they'll always do as they are told. When we tell them to work 80 hours, they work 80 hours.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by tokioyoyo »

Gathering6678 wrote: post #66
russli1993 wrote: post #35

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Maybe visit your nearest US consulate to see how many are trying to get into the States, despite all the ** things in recent years.

There are 1.4B Chinese. Like obviously some will want to move away. The question is, per capita, what is the rate of locals fleeing away from each country.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

tokioyoyo wrote: post #93
Gathering6678 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe visit your nearest US consulate to see how many are trying to get into the States, despite all the ** things in recent years.

There are 1.4B Chinese. Like obviously some will want to move away. The question is, per capita, what is the rate of locals fleeing away from each country.

Even per capita more Chinese are leaving the country for US than the other way round.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by tokioyoyo »

tz18 wrote: post #15

No, this is just about keeping people from defecting and taking secrets / cash with them. Many Chinese people working for state controlled companies or similar (schoolteachers were one ridiculous example I think) in super mundane jobs have their passports taken away or exit bans for "national security" reasons.

One note, if you’re working for a top AI company in China, your quality of life other than work hours is already good enough to not to want to leave. It’s not 1990s/2000s anymore. Urban life in China, excluding pandemic times, is better than urban life in the states.

The same applies to other sectors as well. Top talent is genuinely valued in China.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by AnotherGoodName »

rozenmd wrote: post #47
scrollaway wrote: post #38

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As an EU-based employer, I'm seeing a post-WW2 soviet vs usa style defection of engineers between USA and Europe. By the way, if anyone US-based is in this situation and wants to "defect" to an EU-job, send me a message, I can help you.

My hiring manager mates are seeing this in Australia too. Sydney's beaches and weather helps a bit too.

OTOH we’re educating engineers and then not letting them stay. Like chinas worried about having talent poached (or controlled in some way) and here’s Australia providing world class education and demanding they go back afterwards.

https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/am/deepseek-engineer-...

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

dluan wrote: post #73
Gathering6678 wrote: post #66

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Maybe visit your nearest US consulate to see how many are trying to get into the States, despite all the ** things in recent years.

You will be surprised to learn then that it's fallen dramatically. Like in just the last 5 years the perception is completely different, especially among young people.

The green card queues for employment based green cards for China born applicants tell another story

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/green-car...

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by potatoman22 »

empressplay wrote: post #84
gyomu wrote: post #63

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The real reason why states are pouring billions into AI isn't to generate silly emoji, help people rewrite their emails, or make a web app without learning how to code. It's for autonomous drone warfare. Invading a neighboring nation doesn't seem too appealing if it means sending tens/hundreds of thousands of your young people (a resource that's getting scarcer and scarcer most everywhere in the world) to the meat gr…

This. The Chinese AI is called DeepSeek FFS -- think about that one for a minute.

I've thought about it and don't understand what you're saying

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by hollerith »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #94
tokioyoyo wrote: post #93

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There are 1.4B Chinese. Like obviously some will want to move away. The question is, per capita, what is the rate of locals fleeing away from each country.

Even per capita more Chinese are leaving the country for US than the other way round.

Sure, but this is a statistic Beijing is not even trying to improve: at least during the last 10 years, Beijing sees Westerners as a threat and rarely offers them citizenship or permanent residency.
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