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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by gspencley »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #65
gspencley wrote: post #38

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Canadian here. It's certainly not normal. News broke yesterday that this was coming. The opposition kept tabling no confidence votes and trying to get an early election called... and Trudeau's approval rating is so low that it might even be the lowest of any Prime Minister in history (though I don't know so if someone does by all means fact check that). However, our upcoming election is this year. It certainly does n…

What does "prorogued" do here? Does it prevent a no-confidence vote? And, what would a no-confidence vote do?

It means it is suspended.

(slightly off topic: I have no idea why tf my comment got down-voted. I'm not even expressing any personal opinions about Trudeau or politics. I'm just answering the question as factually as I can from the point of view of a Canadian who is observing what is going on.. I have data and sources for everything I said .. including how low Trudeau's approval rating is as well as the polling... the only thing I wasn't sure of is how his rating compares to that of previous PMs. Thing is, I even know people who have voted Liberal their entire lives, and plan to in the upcoming election regardless of who the leader is, and even they can't shut up about how much they despise him. So regardless of your partisan affiliation, I don't think I even said anything that most Canadians would find the least bit controversial).

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by warmlander99 »

mardifoufs wrote: post #45
karmasimida wrote: post #29

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Yeah that is a good question to OP The predicted conservative win if the election happens right away, would be a landslide in every sense of that word

Would it be possible for it to not happen right away? They are in a minority government without a PM, I really wonder if there's a way the elections aren't triggered basically instantly.

With Trudeau leaving, I suspect that at least one of the other parties will give them enough time to elect a new leader before bringing down the government. The government may even last until the required election date of late October however, nothing of any importance will likely be passed in that time

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by catgary »

csense wrote: post #34

Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

I think it’s worth noting that the weekend before this, local residents of Ottawa had basically “stormed” one of the trucker convoy camps to unblock a road. There were genuine concerns that the residents of Ottawa were ready to take matters into their own hands, and it would be a bloodbath. Not to mention the blockade in Alberta where they were found with guns and a pipe bomb, with their communications indicating they were planning to murder the RCMP officers on site!

Declaring the Emergency acts was overwhelmingly popular in Canada and remains one of the most popular things Trudeau ever did. The moves to restrict access to banking affected less than 20 people (and I think they were generally funnelling money from international propaganda groups or committing similar financial crimes).

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

nindalf wrote: post #25
renewiltord wrote: post #11

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BC perplexingly chose otherwise. People always seem to hate this. Even here in California, we’re lucky to be able to rank everyone in SF but few other cities can. And every election, there’s a lot of “IRV is ruining this city” when candidates with fewer first choice votes win.

Alaska got Ranked Choice Voting and after every election cycle where a Democrat wins they're up in arms about how it's bad. This time the repeal effort got within a whisker of succeeding, while the Democrat (Mary Peltola) lost her congressional seat. RCV encourages moderation, meaning candidates like Peltola and Senator Murkowski (R) win statewide office. This distresses people who feel like such moderates are very f…

> This distresses people who feel like such moderates are very far from their own views

It pisses off people who don’t understand compromise.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by yieldcrv »

mass_and_energy wrote: post #87
yieldcrv wrote: post #62

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I mean... The gold rush ended about 200 years ago but if you really think Dawson City is worth fighting NATO for, then I suppose that's a choice you can make.

your first instinct was a military operation?

the US has acquired territories before from a couple people in those territories realizing it was a magical way for unrelated tariffs to disappear.

history gives you the blueprint, the writing is on the wall

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by laidoffamazon »

csense wrote: post #34

Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by dylan604 »

MattGaiser wrote: post #71
dylan604 wrote: post #66

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> less-than-joking threats of annexation This is an interesting statement in that, sadly, the person making the threats is not joking yet to those that have not drunk the kool-aid it is an utter joke of a concept.

> those that have not drunk the kool-aid it is an utter joke of a concept Problem is that they aren't the ones in power in the USA.

Right, but even if the US actually wants to annex Canada, Canada would have to allow that to happen. That's what makes it insane. Russia wanted to annex Ukraine, and it didn't go so well. So playing the tape to the end, what do people think Trump is actually proposing? A war? A "special operation"?

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by MichaelZuo »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #77
MichaelZuo wrote: post #69

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This seems a bit confused. Canada is not the US. Why would it matter when the judiciary is not a co-equal branch of government? i.e. When there is Parliamentary sovereignty/supremacy? An inferior authority can never legally overrule a superior authority by definition.

> Why would it matter when the judiciary is not a co-equal branch of government? Then there is an external guarantor of the rights of the people against the government.

Huh? What ‘external guarantor’?

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Post by busterarm »

throw10920 wrote: post #78
busterarm wrote: post #51

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While I agree with patio11's assessment here, if you were to poll the average Ottawan about the trucker protest, you'll largely get back a response of "#&$! those people", soley because they were minorly-inconvenienced by them. Canadian politics (not uniquely here) is plagued with petty squabbles. The really meaningful political and social issues don't get any airtime.

Is this where the meme about Canadians being very polite comes from - a tendency towards pettiness rather than really nasty political rifts? (I don't know anything about Canadian culture)

Spend 5 minutes in Toronto Union Station during commuter hours and you'll never describe Canadians as polite again.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by redeux »

mlekoszek wrote: post #74
redeux wrote: post #59

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I haven’t been following the news recently. What is the talk of annexation? First I’ve heard of it.

There's a good summary here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93United_States_r... At least one Canadian business magnate (Kevin O'Leary) has tried to position himself in on the deal and visited Trump at Mar-a-Lago to talk details. https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/kevin-oleary-donald-t...

If this is true and Canada has not arrested O’Leary then they’ve already shown how weak they are to naked sedition and it’s only a matter of time before something terrible happens.
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