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ReiserFS and the Art and Artist Problem

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Re: ReiserFS and the Art and Artist Problem

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Post by em-bee »

cybrexalpha wrote: post #41
ensignavenger wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So once a jerk artist is dead and can no longer benefit from their work, it becomes easier to consume their art without moral concern?

Yes. H. P. Lovecraft is a good example from literature. He was profoundly racist, even beyond the cultural norms of his time. However, as he has long since passed away buying and amplifying his works do not further his views and causes. A modern counterexample would be J. K. Rowling. Where supporting her works and properties does directly contribute to furthering her prejudices in a very real way.

buying and amplifying his works do not further his views and causes

i'd rephrase that. it does not support the artist to allow him to continue spreading his views and causes, but it still draws attention to him, and potentially lets people learn about it. even this discussion here. i would not have known about lovecrafts or rowlings views if it weren't for reading about it on hackernews some time ago.

however an even more important concern is how much of these views are woven into the stories. as such it is important to at least be aware. i have ignored harry potter until now but my kids are getting interested, and so i am keeping a close eye on what they are watching for that reason.

Re: ReiserFS and the Art and Artist Problem

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Post by em-bee »

Kye wrote: post #39
ensignavenger wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So once a jerk artist is dead and can no longer benefit from their work, it becomes easier to consume their art without moral concern?

Sometimes the artist put too much of themselves in the work. For example: I tried reading Orson Scott Card's Iron Man comics and there was just too much homophobic nonsense throughout.

i stopped reading the ringworld series by larry niven when i found that he kept repeating how sex was used to seal a business transaction. it added nothing to the story and just seemed like wishful thinking from the author.

i can't blame them for it. it's only natural. when i write there is a lot of my personality in it too. in part that is the point and in many cases it is what makes a work worth reading. unless it makes the story unreadable like in our examples.

Re: ReiserFS and the Art and Artist Problem

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Post by paulryanrogers »

marcodiego wrote: post #42
aristus wrote: post #2

You can like the work but hate the jerk. The real question comes when you decide whether to financially support a jerk's work.

Bill Gates multi decade marriage came to an end after his closeness with Epstein became public. I don't think anyone stopped buying ms software because of it. Ok, he no longer works there, but I'm sure he still benefits from it.

If a video were released of Bill with a minor then I'd expect Microsoft to take a huge hit. Though it'd have to be irrefutable video. Because we've seen other Epstein accomplices thrive despite circumstancal evidence, like a certain real estate mogul.

Re: ReiserFS and the Art and Artist Problem

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Post by johnnyanmac »

SunlitCat wrote: post #55
psychoslave wrote: post #29

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I don't know how much of an oddity it is, but Linux is probably the most known FLOSS. OK Linus himself wanted to name it "freak" or something like that.

Meanwhile we have a graphics suite called gimp, a 3D model loading library called assimp and if someone calls for blender, you can't be sure if it's the kitchen utensil or the 3d creation suite. :)

and a version control called Git. The old tech world was many things, but "politically correct" is far down that list.

I'll be fair and note that Assimp pre-dated the modern vernacular of the obvious word that comes to mind and was actually reasonable (Open ASSet IMPort Libray).

Re: ReiserFS and the Art and Artist Problem

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Post by johnnyanmac »

throw894389 wrote: post #44

Maybe I am too numb, but I do not see problem here. People in prison should be allowed to work. He is serving his sentence. Where is the problem? One day he will be out of prison. Does it mean he should never ever be allowed to work again? US has a problem with "prison vengeance", where prisoners are not allowed to even have a TV. But it would be cheaper and decrease overall crime. Current prison system is just raisi…

>US has a problem with "prison vengeance", where prisoners are not allowed to even have a TV. But it would be cheaper and decrease overall crime. Current prison system is just raising more criminals.

we americcans don't rehabilitate. We just want homeless off the street and out of mind. Clearly if you did a bad thing in life you are a bad person and deserve everything taken from you. California (a more progressive state) had a propostion this election cycle to simply, as I'll quote from a summary:

>This proposed amendment to California's constitution would bar slavery in any form and repeal a current provision allowing involuntary servitude as a punishment for crime.

and it didn't pass. This is already federally illegal, but even the idea of taking some time to clarify the language wasn't popular.

Meanwhile prop 36

>This ballot measure would increase penalties for repeated theft offenses and certain drug crimes, including some involving fentanyl. It also would create a drug court treatment program for people with multiple drug possession convictions.

Passed overwhelmingly with 70%. Nevermind the government is dismantling those who spread the Fentalnyl into hospitals with recknless abandon as we speak. Just gotta get them druggies off the street. Their fault for getting injuected by doctors, I guess.

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I guess as people say these days: "It's not about winning, it's about sending a message". If even half the amount California spent on "hard on crime" simply went towards getting these homeless a job, the problem would essentially be solved for many. Then half the remaining can go towards rehabilitating those with genuine addictions and other mental health issues.

Re: ReiserFS and the Art and Artist Problem

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Post by baggy_trough »

01HNNWZ0MV43FF wrote: post #20
baggy_trough wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A jerk is one thing; a murderer is something else.

There is also such a thing as lobbying for laws that make a lot of people's lives difficult, destroy QALYs, and possibly cause stochastic death. It's only called "murder" when it's trivial to measure it, see.

Lobbying for laws is not murder, you are correct on that. Otherwise, I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Re: ReiserFS and the Art and Artist Problem

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Post by baggy_trough »

kikokikokiko wrote: post #7
baggy_trough wrote: post #4

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A jerk is one thing; a murderer is something else.

If a murderer creates a file system/energy source/mouse trap that is effectively better than all of the alternatives, and generates value to the world, what he did in his personal life is effectively moot. There is no ethics problem involved in choosing the best solution to a problem, when that solution exists.

I agree that there is no ethics problem. The problem is in the realm of personal distaste.

Re: ReiserFS and the Art and Artist Problem

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Post by wlonkly »

lambdasquirrel wrote: post #71
hollerith wrote: post #28

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"Hans's problems".

It’s not just Hans. Who hasn’t known some leading artist who was like this? Or even some former colleague? I’m sure most of us “artsy” types go through some phase like this, but this guy made it his whole life, and never questioned it until it was too late, too little. The art and the artist thing is real.

The post you replied to was only correcting the apostrophe in the grandparent.

Re: ReiserFS and the Art and Artist Problem

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Post by fasa99 »

dijit wrote: post #70
ribcage wrote: post #51

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Debian = Debra + Ian

MySQL and MariaDB, named for the children of the founder. Similar vein. ffmpeg (first F is for Fabrice Bellard) DJBdns; named for Daniel (J) Bernstein... There's a few.

of course the famous AWK as well

Re: ReiserFS and the Art and Artist Problem

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Post by penguin_booze »

kryptiskt wrote: post #17

ReiserFS is named after the author, which is an oddity among file systems or open source projects in general. I wonder if it would have seen further development if it had been named something else.

The Linux reboot system call supposedly accept Linus' daughters' birth date as a magic value [0]. It's not like that prevented people from rebooting their systems.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds#Personal_life

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