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Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by usui »

DrillShopper wrote: post #75
pmarreck wrote: post #67

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I was a high school computer nerd in the 80's. They all said that about me then too, and I didn't care. But to your point, it will probably get slicker over time. For this one, they erred on the side of high fidelity, and they nailed it pretty well.

Oh, I have no doubt that it will get better over time, but I think people forget that part of the early adopter tax is often that you look like a fucking dork. Which in my mind isn't a bad thing - it shows that you're committed to making it work. There's something noble about that, wouldn't you say?

Upvote for doubling down on the "look like a fucking dork" phrase. I wasn't sure at first if this was self-deprecating humor, but now I am. Neeeeeerd!

Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by throw4950sh06 »

makeitdouble wrote: post #66
nordsieck wrote: post #31

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> The more time passes, the less I can shake the feeling that the world would be better if we tuned out our environment less. That may or may not be true in general, but air travel is one of the most oppressive environments people regularly find themselves in. Being in an extremely crowded environment with very little personal space is psychologically uncomfortable for a lot of people. And it's basically not possible…

> people regularly find themselves in. To me this is the most intriguing part of it all. I understand tech reviewers and journalists raving about having something to do on planes, as they probably spend an awful lot of time there. Then perhaps sales people also flighting on company's dime. But regular people don't spend much time on planes, and many of them don't need it to be an entertaining or efficient time, they…

Many regular people bought tablets, expensive noise canceling headphones and other hardware with the express purpose of using it on a flight 2-6 times (1-3 round trips) a year. Of course, it gets used outside of a plane too - but that applies to VR gear just as well.

If they can get the price below $1500, I'm sure many regular people will buy it even if they fly less than 10 times a year.

Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by moolcool »

nordsieck wrote: post #31
latexr wrote: post #7

> Be it by train or by plane, it offers an unparalleled opportunity to selectively tune out your environment and sink into an engaging activity like watching a movie or just working on your laptop. The more time passes, the less I can shake the feeling that the world would be better if we tuned out our environment less. > But damn, based on how well it all works now, you can just tell by the 4th or 5th generation, Ap…

> The more time passes, the less I can shake the feeling that the world would be better if we tuned out our environment less. That may or may not be true in general, but air travel is one of the most oppressive environments people regularly find themselves in. Being in an extremely crowded environment with very little personal space is psychologically uncomfortable for a lot of people. And it's basically not possible…

> air travel is one of the most oppressive environments people regularly find themselves in

How much of this would be solved by VR though? To me the unpleasantness of flying mostly comes down to physical discomfort. The seats are cramped, the air is dry, the food isn't great, the bathroom situation is uncomfortable, and you can't really walk around. VR would visually transport you somewhere else, but physically, you're still very much on a plane.

Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by renewiltord »

tsimionescu wrote: post #54
aaomidi wrote: post #41

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> Most people don't regularly travel by plane. This is a very "1%" problem. Except, they do in a country like the US that has massive distances between cities.

Even in the US, most people (50+% of the population) certainly doesn't regularly (say, more than once a decade) travel by plane.

49% in the last year according to this https://www.airlines.org/dataset/air-travelers-in-america-an...

Statista survey pre-pandemic says majority fly every year https://www.statista.com/statistics/316365/air-travel-freque...

Americans fly quite often.

Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by [deleted] »

bentcorner wrote: post #59
nordsieck wrote: post #31

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> The more time passes, the less I can shake the feeling that the world would be better if we tuned out our environment less. That may or may not be true in general, but air travel is one of the most oppressive environments people regularly find themselves in. Being in an extremely crowded environment with very little personal space is psychologically uncomfortable for a lot of people. And it's basically not possible…

Weirdly enough I love being on a plane (and airports). There's something psychologically freeing about them that I feel whenever I fly. I look forward to flying so much. And it's not like I'm flying first class or anything - I fly economy every time. Maybe if I flew more frequently I'd grow to dislike it (I fly maybe once a year), but honestly airports and flying are my favorite part of a trip (yes, I like them more…

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Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by chasd00 »

tesch1 wrote: post #58
latexr wrote: post #33

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> That may or may not be true in general, but air travel is one of the most oppressive environments people regularly find themselves in. What do you think is going to happen if, as the author predicts, “Apple Vision Pro will be on the face of every frequent flyer”? My prediction is that the experience would get even shittier. Since everyone would be tuned out, there’d be even less reason for the airline to care.

My prediction is that airlines will start offering VR headsets much like they added seatback screens.

That's a really interesting idea. Do planes have access to Starlink now? I could see a market for passengers to purchase a vr headset and decent inet connection on a flight. It would be tough to keep the headsets in good shape and clean though...

Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by tesch1 »

latexr wrote: post #78
tesch1 wrote: post #58

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My prediction is that airlines will start offering VR headsets much like they added seatback screens.

Lovely, just what we need: cheap devices with a motion-sickness-inducing laggy passthrough, poor resolution screens (when they work at all), covered in other people’s face grease.

Solution: bring your own!

Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by asciimov »

tesch1 wrote: post #58
latexr wrote: post #33

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> That may or may not be true in general, but air travel is one of the most oppressive environments people regularly find themselves in. What do you think is going to happen if, as the author predicts, “Apple Vision Pro will be on the face of every frequent flyer”? My prediction is that the experience would get even shittier. Since everyone would be tuned out, there’d be even less reason for the airline to care.

My prediction is that airlines will start offering VR headsets much like they added seatback screens.

Sounds like a lovely way to get pink eye.

Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by nonameiguess »

latexr wrote: post #7

> Be it by train or by plane, it offers an unparalleled opportunity to selectively tune out your environment and sink into an engaging activity like watching a movie or just working on your laptop. The more time passes, the less I can shake the feeling that the world would be better if we tuned out our environment less. > But damn, based on how well it all works now, you can just tell by the 4th or 5th generation, Ap…

It's obviously hyperbole. I'm a fairly frequent traveler at this point and probably will continue to be in another decade, and there is no plausible future in which I'm strapping on a VR headset for the duration of a flight. Sometimes I'll read a book but not consistently. More often than not, I watch the landscape pass and get a thrill out of recognizing landmarks from high above. I also like to count the rubberized tracks in a city as it consistently surprises me how many there are when I can never seem to find one to run on where I actually live.

On the other hand, I try to take a middle ground here. As much as I get annoyed and shake my fist at clouds these days when I'm trying to run past people on the sidewalks and they've got their faces buried in phones and don't see me coming, I can recognize a lot of people seem to have a deep-seated need for non-stop mental stimulus they don't seem to get from the real world for whatever reason and I'm not going to judge them for that. They're just different from me and that's fine.

But I do exist too and it'd be nice if reviewers like this didn't typical mind everyone, either.

Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by renewiltord »

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #56
MPSimmons wrote: post #52

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I don't think it's a 1% problem, but it's a 40% problem: https://www.airlines.org/new-survey-nearly-90-percent-of-ame... 44% of Americans flew commercially in 2022.

There's a whole world outside of the USA.

Yeah, but “Rest of World cannot afford luxury travel” is not a notable fact. The US is rich. Americans are rich. For many things, the US is the only market where it’s feasible. A self-driving car is useless in India (1/6 of all people), for instance. Labour costs are too low.

It’s clear the Vision Pro didn’t find its market but I don’t think it’s an air travel thing.

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