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Re: Mobifree – An open-source mobile ecosystem

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Post by jraph »

janosdebugs wrote: post #87
jraph wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Game is its own thing indeed and I'll admit that first, I don't play much, and second, never even started thinking about business models for open source games. Maybe you could license the data for a fee and have the code as open source? Of course this is low effort and you know way better than me.

I've done a fair bit of open source work, but the best I could come up with for games is "source available" where you can get the code to recompile for yourself or mod it. (My wife and I put up the source code of our first game as a DLC on Steam as an experiment.) Re only code: Game engines often tie code and data together and the code without the data won't even compile in many cases, or you won't be able to produce…

(Not commenting most of your comment, I assumed a clear data and code separation because that's typically what doom does, but that's very old and I'm utterly incompetent in this domain)

> Finally, there is no real benefit to open sourcing a game if you want to make money.

the same thing can be said for pretty much all software (although it's not always actually true, sometimes open source is a selling point and/or have specific strengths beyond ethics)

> a less than ethical company with a bunch of cheap labor can go and undercut you

Isn't the data which is the most costly part in developing a game? Of course I realize you stated that separating the data is not practical.

> I would like to be able to release on an alternative storefront so people who want to degoogle their phones

Still 100% with you on this. Also degoogled with some proprietary software is still a step in the right direction

Re: Mobifree – An open-source mobile ecosystem

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Post by bogwog »

Three chat apps.

Why can't Quicksy's contact finding feature be added to Conversations instead of being a whole fork?

Delta chat I kind of get why it's a separate thing since it works differently, but it still seems counter productive to have so many chat apps.

Re: Mobifree – An open-source mobile ecosystem

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Post by bogwog »

udev4096 wrote: post #67

I wouldn't trust anything coming from /e/ because of their horrible track record. For instance, a few years back, their cloud storage had a bug which leaked private files to other storage accounts[0] [0] https://community.e.foundation/t/service-announcement-26-may...

That's terrifying

Re: Mobifree – An open-source mobile ecosystem

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Post by genpfault »

sanroot99 wrote: post #48
nh2 wrote: post #27

F-Droid still has some big tasks in order to be useable for the general public, when comparing it with e.g. Google Play Store. For example, if you search it for "browser", Firefox will not show up because A) It's called Fennec B) The F-Droid search seems to be exact infix search, and Fennec's title is "Fennec F-Droid -- Browse the web", in which "Browser" does not appear, only "browse". So it doesn't find it. In gene…

Use droidify a alternative fork of fdroid

> droidify

https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.looker.droidify/

https://github.com/Droid-ify/client

Re: Mobifree – An open-source mobile ecosystem

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Post by genpfault »

smusamashah wrote: post #89
rjzzleep wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Droidify is so vastly superior it’s not even close. Fdroid still has the privileged extension whereas droidify and Neodroid can use Shizuku and other options. I do think that droidify is an unfortunate naming choice though.

This still doesn't bring up Fennec if searched for 'browser'. Neo Store does.

> Neo Store

https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.machiav3lli.fdroid/

https://github.com/NeoApplications/Neo-Store

Re: Mobifree – An open-source mobile ecosystem

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Post by t0bia_s »

janosdebugs wrote: post #88
t0bia_s wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not using Google play or any other services on android over 6 years now. You don't need banking apps for making transactions.

I live in an EU country and I, in fact, cannot use online banking without a Google-enabled Android or an iPhone. There is exactly one bank that offers a desktop authenticator, but we had a really bad experience with them when we tried them for a year.

MicroG could work, but I never used banking app, so I cannot verify it. Adopt paying by other, more secure and private friendly ways.

Re: Mobifree – An open-source mobile ecosystem

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

Aurornis wrote: post #40
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #13

At this point the access points and the global data and surveillance system is too complicated and interconnected to dis-intermediate the access point and the network itself That is to say you cannot even connect to IP addresses unless you’re already part of the global whitelist for APs Try yourself. Get a VPN and then connect from certain regions and to won’t get very far and you’ll be slooooow You’ll say, oh, that’…

> That is to say you cannot even connect to IP addresses unless you’re already part of the global whitelist for APs > Try yourself. Get a VPN and then connect from certain regions and to won’t get very far and you’ll be slooooow Connecting to a far away VPN doesn’t prove anything about a “global whitelist” VPN addresses are commonly rate limited and block listed because they’re sources of abusive traffic and therefor…

I’m glad we agree so throughly though I’m not sure what you’re referencing with a conspiracy

Re: Mobifree – An open-source mobile ecosystem

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Post by zaik »

bogwog wrote: post #92

Three chat apps. Why can't Quicksy's contact finding feature be added to Conversations instead of being a whole fork? Delta chat I kind of get why it's a separate thing since it works differently, but it still seems counter productive to have so many chat apps.

> Why can't Quicksy's contact finding feature be added to Conversations instead of being a whole fork?

Quickly is designed to have easy phone number registration and contact discovery like the currently popular walled garden chat apps. Conversations works with any XMPP address and you need to ask people for their chat address (like email).

Re: Mobifree – An open-source mobile ecosystem

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Post by squarefoot »

nh2 wrote: post #27

F-Droid still has some big tasks in order to be useable for the general public, when comparing it with e.g. Google Play Store. For example, if you search it for "browser", Firefox will not show up because A) It's called Fennec B) The F-Droid search seems to be exact infix search, and Fennec's title is "Fennec F-Droid -- Browse the web", in which "Browser" does not appear, only "browse". So it doesn't find it. In gene…

The search for "browser" should have returned Mull, which is a privacy oriented deblobbed fork of Fennec.

Re: Mobifree – An open-source mobile ecosystem

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Post by xigoi »

janosdebugs wrote: post #79
jraph wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I won't trust no tracking if it's non free. I know I will sound extreme (although I think it shouldn't be the case in among developers) and no offense, but this sounds like a happy outcome to me. I believe proprietary software to be unethical. I'm not interested in being proposed non free software. The software industry should figure it out and start respecting its users. However software funding is a real concern an…

In this case the software in question was a game. I have not seen any visble business models for truly open source games under the acceptable licenses for F-Droid. There are source-available games, but that would not be enough in this case. I think the main issue may be how much up-front investment games need that would never be recouped with an open source license, but I'd love to be shown an example to the contrary…

Why would a game need to be a business?
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