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H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

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Are antibiotics suddenly a factor in viral infections?

The antibiotics permit the shitty unsanitary conditions that make viral spread also more likely.

Most antibiotics fed to cattle are used to bias the population in their digestive system to optimize feed conversion, not for infection control. Milk is discarded if the cow is being treated for an infection, so it's not like they just do nothing else to keep them healthy.

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You're going to have to provide some sources if you'll be making such bold claims ...

I'll bite. I'm currently carrying a bottle of whole milk home from the shop to have a glass. It has 15g of protein per 500ml, a ton of calcium and 350ish calories. Super nutritious.

And when factoring in the negative externalities extremely expensive. When factoring in the moral aspect considering the way the cows are treated it’s an immoral product.

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Well that make poor folks harder to fulfill nutrition requirements. Especially for kids that'd be devastating.

The distribution of resources of the world is grossly unfair. Two things need to happen: fewer people and a cap on how much one person has.

How does that happen? Any recommendations?

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It's crazy to see people denying that (meat) factory farming is a problem. You'd expect most of the public of this website to be rationalists in one way or another. Of course factory farming is an aggravating factor for the spread of diseases. Of course we can thrive with less meat consumption or none. How is that even a question?

You say you expect most people on this website to be rationalist and then you also say that you expect most people on this website to be rationalist.

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To clarify, the article says this is not confirmed , but an ongoing research question, - "The researchers expect additional lab studies currently underway to show that those samples don’t contain live virus with the capability to cause human infections"

The studies have been completed. The answer is no live virus.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/23/health/bird-flu-milk.html...

There does seem to be confusion on this reporting. NY Times claiming FDA confirmed just fragments, others saying they did not.

Re: H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

#96

Unlike with covid, we know how to make flu vaccines on a large scale. Is there a reason why we couldn’t also preemptively vaccinate against H5N1 during regular seasonal vaccination campaigns?

I don't think there's anything in particular that stops us from routinely adding a H5N1 strain into the current flu vaccines. It's just a question of cost-benefit. And as the sibling post notes, getting an avian flu into human form right now is definitely more involved. I imagine if we started using mRNA influenza vaccines, that might change the relative cost.

I suspect with the apparent extinction of the B/Yamagata line, that'd free up a slot in the quadravalent vaccine.

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and replace it with what?

That's the secret, you don't have to replace it. It doesn't produce food, it takes in food and turns it into less but different food. So yeah, plants. It's painful, but we've gone beyond what we can do on this planet.

Meat is the best food for humans — ruminants, especially, are great at processing out the various anti-nutrients plants produce to ward off being eaten & then processing it into pretty much exactly the food humans need for optimal health. Think of all the land & water that goes into crops that aren't even eaten by humans — run buffalo & cattle over that instead. That would have the secondary benefit of not monocropping (which produces all manner of negative downstream ecological effects). If you don't want healthy, thriving humans, as well as a thriving ecosystem then by all means keep pushing this plant nonsense (take a look at how much water it takes to grow one almond, & then scale that up into what it takes to make almond (or really any other plant) "milk").

Re: H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

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post #81

It's crazy to see people denying that (meat) factory farming is a problem. You'd expect most of the public of this website to be rationalists in one way or another. Of course factory farming is an aggravating factor for the spread of diseases. Of course we can thrive with less meat consumption or none. How is that even a question?

You say you expect most people on this website to be rationalist and then you also say that you expect most people on this website to be rationalist.

Are you saying it's not rational for me to expect rationalists around here? :P I guess that's reasonable?

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Well that make poor folks harder to fulfill nutrition requirements. Especially for kids that'd be devastating.

When my mom was growing up she had organ meats pretty regularly, as it was cheaper and they didn’t have a lot of money. Over in Scotland their national dish is haggis, which is a bunch of organ meats minced up, and then they add in some oats to bulk it up and make it go further. There are solutions to use more of the animal and stretch it. I almost never hear about people eating organ meats in the US anymore. People…

One of the most consistent technological innovations throughout humanity's existence has been in improving how we eat, because eating is by far one of the biggest pleasures a person can have in life.

The invention of fire revolutionized eating, the invention of agriculture revolutionized access to food at a fundamental level, the invention of refrigeration and freezing vastly expanded the reach and safety of food from point of harvest to dinner table, and the past century or so has dramatically democratized the kinds of food a person can choose to eat.

This notion of sacrificing Quality of Eating(tm) is therefore a non-starter, humanity demands and strives for better eating. Any proposal to change how we produce food must accept it must co-exist with continued improvements to eating.

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Which of those alt milks are produced using biodiversity supporting practices? Oat? Soy? Almond?

You mean juice, right? As far as I know Oat, Soy and Almond contain no milk.

You should look up the meaning of the word misnomer and understand how widespread such occurrences are. When that happens you’ll likely reason better and not get sidetracked by pedantic shenanigans.
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