Unlike with covid, we know how to make flu vaccines on a large scale. Is there a reason why we couldn’t also preemptively vaccinate against H5N1 during regular seasonal vaccination campaigns?
H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread
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#22Id hazard a guess that live virus contact with people on scale is what — by chance — eventually selects a cross over strain. So virus that can be cultured into existence of out of milk presents a possible vector for that. Hence they are testing to see if they can grow the virus from milk samples.
mixing milk dramatically increases these chances.
If each person drinks milk from one cow, and there are 1 million of each, then you have 1 million chances.
A chance is higher if a cow has a few mutations in its viruses, or if a person has a slightly different receptor or immune system...
But if you put all the milk from the 1 million cows in a mixing vat and then distribute it to the same 1 million people, now there are 1 trillion chances, and the slightly better mutations will end up coming into contact with the humans with slightly more receptive cells.
This is one of many reasons I think we should limit the fanin/fanout of food production. Ie. you may only mix animal products in say batches of up to 10,000 cows, and that batch may only be split up amongst up to 10,000 humans. Then you have to clean the production equipment before the next batch.
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#23Maybe, just maybe, we should ease off on the factory farming...
and replace it with what?
There's more alt-milks than I can count. While cow's milk obviously is used to produce other things, we can drastically reduce the need for it by moving to other kinds of milk for the liquid-consumption part.
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#24Hopefully no viral particles capable of infecting humans will be found. We’ll know soon though.
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Probably not. Unless you have ulcers or open wounds in your mouth/trachea, virus will be digested and destroyed in stomach acid.
So, you are saying that maybe if there was some sort of an injection.
No, absolutely not.
Plus, don't run experiments on your own body.
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#27Maybe, just maybe, we should ease off on the factory farming...
and replace it with what?
That's the secret, you don't have to replace it. It doesn't produce food, it takes in food and turns it into less but different food.
So yeah, plants. It's painful, but we've gone beyond what we can do on this planet.
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and replace it with what?
There's more alt-milks than I can count. While cow's milk obviously is used to produce other things, we can drastically reduce the need for it by moving to other kinds of milk for the liquid-consumption part.
Which of those alt milks are produced using biodiversity supporting practices? Oat? Soy? Almond?
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Probably not. Unless you have ulcers or open wounds in your mouth/trachea, virus will be digested and destroyed in stomach acid.
>virus will be digested and destroyed in stomach acid So how does food poisoning happen?
Generally by bacteria or their byproducts (toxins). Viruses are relatively smaller and more fragile.