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Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by mark_l_watson »

If Apple were to partner with anyone, I would suggest Perplexity, unless there is something about the way Perplexity operates, its business model, etc. that may make it an unstable partner down the road.

Perplexity does have good competition in the ‘better web’ product space, but for right now Perplexity just makes searching and exploring more fun. For a few years, I think Apple would do well to have Siri partially wrap Perplexity services as appropriate.

Long term, I hope Apple does everything on device with their own models with firm privacy guarantees.

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by blisterpeanuts »

After Gemini's embarrassing "woke images" debacle last month, probably a lot of people wouldn't want it on their phones, nor on their desktops/laptops. Until Gemini is cleaned up and all the political biases removed, it's a tainted product, at least among a lot of vocal influencers, if not the masses.

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by taylodl »

danielscrubs wrote: post #76
gman83 wrote: post #28

I don't see why everyone is so surprised by this. Google already provides the default search engine for iOS, and it's clear that Apple's on-device stuff is going to be years away. They don't have the infrastructure to do this themselves either, so they're going to need a partner. Steve Jobs always saw Apple and Google as natural partners, he just couldn't get over that Google launched Android. I think Apple by now re…

Everyone wants/wanted Google as a search engine because it was the best. No users thinks Gemini is the best. In fact it is being mocked by media right now. Android is a direct competitor still. So yes, very surprising.

I guess I'm no user!

Gemini is the best all-around AI tool I've used. It falls a bit on programming tasks, but I don't use it for that.

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by prossercj »

No one seems to have mentioned what is most obvious to me about this: if this goes through, Google will corner the market on mobile (on-device) AI. They already have Android users, this would give them iOS users too. Not a large market right now, but the way things are heading it could prove significant in the future.

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by ribosometronome »

taylodl wrote: post #93
danielscrubs wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone wants/wanted Google as a search engine because it was the best. No users thinks Gemini is the best. In fact it is being mocked by media right now. Android is a direct competitor still. So yes, very surprising.

I guess I'm no user! Gemini is the best all-around AI tool I've used. It falls a bit on programming tasks, but I don't use it for that.

>It falls a bit on programming tasks, but I don't use it for that.

I suspect a lot of us mediocre coders probably are using these chat AIs primarily for this. ChatGPT's been a pretty solid replacement for what used to be Googling for "How do I do X in Y?" kind of queries. Obviously, that's not really what Siri needs to be.

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by [deleted] »

ezst wrote: post #66
throwaway290 wrote: post #57

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Wireshark an igizmo and a droid and see the difference for yourself :)

It shows encrypted streams that neither you or I can decipher. By default, either will spend its day scraping your surroundings (wifi and bluetooth) and report it back home, unless you opt-out (which both allow). Both are equally evil in my book.

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Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by [deleted] »

c0wb0yc0d3r wrote: post #82
xcv123 wrote: post #15

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That's not the issue. LLMs are not trained on whatever crap you can scrape from users text messages or emails. That is relatively useless for training.

Wouldn't the issue be Gemini would need access to the users personal information in order to act on it? Yes there are applications where this wouldn't be needed, but I can't help but think that the number one application of ai would be adding to the capabilities of the personal assistant. To me a personal assistant that couldn't draw on the context of my location, calendar, or communications wouldn't be much improvem…

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Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by xcv123 »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #44
xcv123 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not the issue. LLMs are not trained on whatever crap you can scrape from users text messages or emails. That is relatively useless for training.

This. People are just trying to make excuses for apple's failure. "They're failing because they're soooo privacy conscious"

Is Apple really failing? $30B net profit per quarter. Who knows what they are researching behind the scenes. They can afford to hire any top AI researchers. Siri is optimized for cost and performance on small devices. Works very well considering that it runs locally on the iPhone hardware.
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