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Fitness trackers find new symptom of depression: body temperature

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Re: Fitness trackers find new symptom of depression: body temperature

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maybe weird... I'm suffering from migraine sometimes, my face starts feeling cold, including teeth and hard palate. So I measured and it was 33 c°, told a few doctors and got no response, still looking for a cause/solution. I'm also a depression sufferer, and the days after seem to be more anxious. Tried to go to the sauna with the symtoms, but couldn't handle more than 20 minutes last time. Felt better right after,…

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Re: Fitness trackers find new symptom of depression: body temperature

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It doesn’t mean that they are imagining it. Why is it hard to see that the organ that controls the whole body has a say into pain/inflammation, and all that? It can send my heart rate to the sky before a presentation, make my stomach ready for digestion on the sight of a billboard, etc. I don’t know, the reverse that mental diseases don’t cause physical symptoms seems harder to believe. It all just shows that we don’…

You are mistaking Stress perhaps with depression. It is 99% more likely that a physical problem is the root problem and that is causing the depression. Thats what depression is. Something is wrong with your body and your brain is sad about it. You dont just get depressed for no reason and then your body breaks for no reason from that depression.

Your brain is part of your body, so that’s a fairly tautological claim.

Re: Fitness trackers find new symptom of depression: body temperature

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Many parts of the world don't have AC, and many people in those parts are not depressed. Source: it's 22h00 here and its probably about 28C in my bedroom now. The walls are radiating heat into the room after baking in the sun the whole day. All my windows are open and ceiling fan is on. I'll be sleeping on top of a towel tonight as to not destroy my mattress. I'm definitely not depressed... I think.

Dry or humid heat?

Relatively dry thank dog. I hate humidity.

Re: Fitness trackers find new symptom of depression: body temperature

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40 year old female with depression and hypothermia screams Hashimoto's disease to me. Have you had your TSH checked?

it's within the ranges, nothing wrong with tyroid - even took a little iodine on the side to test if it does something - there is this test where you put iodine on your skin, and if it gets absorbed within 10 minutes, you're low on iodine - I'm not, all the bloodwork looks normal except for cholesterol (cuz high fat low carb) - see cholesterol code for that

Don't get just TSH checked, get a full thyroid panel. You can have normal TSH but still be low on free T3 and feel bad as a result.

Re: Fitness trackers find new symptom of depression: body temperature

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maybe weird... I'm suffering from migraine sometimes, my face starts feeling cold, including teeth and hard palate. So I measured and it was 33 c°, told a few doctors and got no response, still looking for a cause/solution. I'm also a depression sufferer, and the days after seem to be more anxious. Tried to go to the sauna with the symtoms, but couldn't handle more than 20 minutes last time. Felt better right after,…

If 33C is your core temp that's way low. You should escalate that beyond just telling doctors, it may be a serious blood pressure issue (or your thermometer might be off!).

it's only the case when I have migraines, 33 is between the upper lip and gums, below the tongue it's higher more like 36. But thanks a lot, will go to the hospital next time I've got cold face+migraine!

Re: Fitness trackers find new symptom of depression: body temperature

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maybe weird... I'm suffering from migraine sometimes, my face starts feeling cold, including teeth and hard palate. So I measured and it was 33 c°, told a few doctors and got no response, still looking for a cause/solution. I'm also a depression sufferer, and the days after seem to be more anxious. Tried to go to the sauna with the symtoms, but couldn't handle more than 20 minutes last time. Felt better right after,…

> Today I'm signed up to become a specialist for allergies and food intolerance, in the hopes to find something that works

not a doctor and this isnt medical advice. It may be low stomach acid if you struggle with digestion? Non-scientific but try an at home burp test for 3-5 mornings. i know someone with chronic low acid for years that went unnoticed, and doctors didnt spot it after trying PPIs, etc. Odds are low, but might be worth looking into

Re: Fitness trackers find new symptom of depression: body temperature

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If 33C is your core temp that's way low. You should escalate that beyond just telling doctors, it may be a serious blood pressure issue (or your thermometer might be off!).

it's only the case when I have migraines, 33 is between the upper lip and gums, below the tongue it's higher more like 36. But thanks a lot, will go to the hospital next time I've got cold face+migraine!

Ah ok, I thought that was your core temp, that would be seriously worrisome if not already an acute crisis, I've never heard of it going that low. Surface temperature is next to impossible to measure accurately, it is super fluid so most likely that is an anomalous reading then. The only temperature of your body that really matters is core temp, skin temp is all over the place, from 33 on the low end to 37 on the high end depending on how much bloodflow you've got and what the ambient is (because you'll always measure partly your body, partly the air around it).

Re: Fitness trackers find new symptom of depression: body temperature

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I feel like at some point we're gonna discover depression is basically some kind of inflammatory disease

Depressive disorders are understood to involve alterations in inflammation pathways. SSRIs and SNRIs have been documented to induce alterations in multiple inflammatory pathways, coinciding with improvement of depression symptoms. That doesn’t imply that depression is a simple result of inflammatory processes, it just shows that depression is a cross-cutting alteration to the body’s function on many levels. In some c…

> too many people try to pin mental health conditions on underlying physical problems that don’t exist

it wouldn't be the first disorder where after years of "it's psychological, there is no underlaying physical issue" it turns out that there is an underlying physical problem, see the history of gastric ulcers

Re: Fitness trackers find new symptom of depression: body temperature

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It looks like a medical anti pattern, deal with the symptom that the base disease will cure itself, somewhat, maybe magically. I know that forcing a happy face could lighten up a bit your mood, but this is going too far, and maybe is too simplistic in its view of depression.

A few things things: - causation is difficult to establish - symptoms can sometimes themselves be a proximal cause - treatment of symptoms is one way to determine causation

worth adding:

- treating symptoms might help break at least part of a bad feedback loop

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