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Re: Fitness trackers find new symptom of depression: body temperature

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Post by agos »

vjk800 wrote: post #79
mewpmewp2 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know there's so much talk on many physical symptoms being "psychogenic" or whatever. Even psychologists or general medical professionals will claim that whatever symptoms you are feeling are probably psychogenic. It makes me wonder if many things might be the other way around. That there's clear physical reasons for many mental or psychological problems. It's just always easier to claim something is psychogenic w…

I have a history of mental problems and I mostly attribute it to physical problems. At some point I realized that chronic pain prevented me from sleeping well and when I don't sleep well, I feel like crap. When this goes on for a long time, I don't even notice the link anymore since being in pain and sleeping bad just becomes the normal state of things. I've been able to manage my pains by a combination of lots of ae…

I went through something similar. A physical problem was disturbing my sleep, but not in a "I haven't slept all night" way. After a few weeks I was so fatigued and brain-fogged that I was very worried for my mental health and ability to do my job. It took a lot of time to piece together what was happening and start taking measures to get my sleep back in decent shape. This was the right call: I still have the underlying physical issue but now I can both 1) be a functional human 2) address the physical issue with a functioning brain, which would have been impossible when I was impaired by lack of sleep.

I wouldn't go as far as to say "most" depression/anxiety is caused by lack of sleep, but by now I am certain that a huge amount of undiagnosed or untreated health issues are caused by stuff like inflammation states, lack of sleep, digestion not doing its thing, muscles doing something wrong, and often more than one of these.

I hope you feel better!

Re: Fitness trackers find new symptom of depression: body temperature

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Post by inglor_cz »

vjk800 wrote: post #80
inglor_cz wrote: post #66

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I think that at this point of the obesity epidemics, we should entertain the idea that there are non-behavioral factors in play as well. Not just "putting in the work", but a more complex metabolic picture. As we are talking about smartwatches, let me chime in with my personal, N == 1 observation. I bought a smartwatch on the day that Russia invaded Ukraine (the timing was an accident, though). So, two years by now.…

> * my knees have improved so much that I feel like being 20 again. I no longer remember which one gave me so much trouble that I almost ended up in surgery in 2017. They are both just fine. I had shit knees when I was around 30. I started physiotherapy and going to the gym. This sort of worked a little bit, but what really eradicated all my knee problems was large volumes or running, jogging and walking. My plan was…

Yes, that was my experience as well. Five miles a day, every day, and my knees are just as good as they were in my youth. Eradication of the problem, as you say.

Re: Fitness trackers find new symptom of depression: body temperature

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Post by aszantu »

cperciva wrote: post #75
aszantu wrote: post #58

maybe weird... I'm suffering from migraine sometimes, my face starts feeling cold, including teeth and hard palate. So I measured and it was 33 c°, told a few doctors and got no response, still looking for a cause/solution. I'm also a depression sufferer, and the days after seem to be more anxious. Tried to go to the sauna with the symtoms, but couldn't handle more than 20 minutes last time. Felt better right after,…

40 year old female with depression and hypothermia screams Hashimoto's disease to me. Have you had your TSH checked?

it's within the ranges, nothing wrong with tyroid - even took a little iodine on the side to test if it does something - there is this test where you put iodine on your skin, and if it gets absorbed within 10 minutes, you're low on iodine - I'm not,

all the bloodwork looks normal except for cholesterol (cuz high fat low carb) - see cholesterol code for that

Re: Fitness trackers find new symptom of depression: body temperature

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Post by aszantu »

dronienothong wrote: post #70
aszantu wrote: post #58

maybe weird... I'm suffering from migraine sometimes, my face starts feeling cold, including teeth and hard palate. So I measured and it was 33 c°, told a few doctors and got no response, still looking for a cause/solution. I'm also a depression sufferer, and the days after seem to be more anxious. Tried to go to the sauna with the symtoms, but couldn't handle more than 20 minutes last time. Felt better right after,…

Perhaps you have Beriberi and the extra thiamine from keto foods like the meat is helping?

looking into it, thanks for the pointer!

Re: Fitness trackers find new symptom of depression: body temperature

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Post by ThinkBeat »

Imagine standing at top of edge cliff with your feed halfway into the air, teetering, swaying a little. For a lot of people that would increase their body temprature, and casue anxiety and stress.

Yes they would have elevated body temperature, but that does not indicate that it is the symptom to focus upon.

With a severe depression a person will go through periods of extreme anxiety, guilt, for some suicidal thoughts, and in general serious continuous stress. Parts of the brain get rewired, with long term depression.

They will experience periods of elevated body temperature, heck high enough to be categorized as a fever in some cases, but lowering the body temperature, for instance, with a cool bath or cool wrappings, is not going to change or alleviate depression.

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Post by aszantu »

wiredfool wrote: post #77
aszantu wrote: post #58

maybe weird... I'm suffering from migraine sometimes, my face starts feeling cold, including teeth and hard palate. So I measured and it was 33 c°, told a few doctors and got no response, still looking for a cause/solution. I'm also a depression sufferer, and the days after seem to be more anxious. Tried to go to the sauna with the symtoms, but couldn't handle more than 20 minutes last time. Felt better right after,…

My wife has gone through perimenopause for a while now (ages really, probably O(15 years)), and the number of potential symptoms connected to it are immense, while the awareness from medical providers is pretty minimal. Mental issues, Food/blood sugar stuff, the well known hot flashes, cold flashes, the works. What's worked for her is HRT, and more recently, intermittent fasting. (food between noon and 8pm only, but…

do you, by any chance, know about how to get the needed hormones from food? Two weeks ago I found offal in a japanese store. Wondering if it would do something, to eat pork uterus or so... I know it's not everyone's choice, but I can't stop thinking about it

Re: Fitness trackers find new symptom of depression: body temperature

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Post by DoreenMichele »

mewpmewp2 wrote: post #26
FraterSKM wrote: post #20

I feel like at some point we're gonna discover depression is basically some kind of inflammatory disease

You know there's so much talk on many physical symptoms being "psychogenic" or whatever. Even psychologists or general medical professionals will claim that whatever symptoms you are feeling are probably psychogenic. It makes me wonder if many things might be the other way around. That there's clear physical reasons for many mental or psychological problems. It's just always easier to claim something is psychogenic w…

Somatopsychic is the word for physical ailments with mental health and emotional side effects.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/somatopsychic

It seems to me that linguistically we talk about "feeling" physically and also "feeling" emotionally because those two things are deeply intertwined.

Re: Fitness trackers find new symptom of depression: body temperature

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Post by asimovfan »

Someone wrote: post #73
asimovfan wrote: post #69

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I am not a doctor but i think 33 degrees celcius means you need to go to the ER.. or that your measurent device is off. I cannot see doctors letting you leave the hospital like that

The OP wrote > my face starts feeling cold, including teeth and hard palate. So I measured and it was 33 c°, told a few doctors and got no response I read that as they measured the temperature of their face. Then, 33°C isn’t outside normal range. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_temperature : “Normal human skin temperature on the trunk of the body varies between 33.5 and 36.9 °C (92.3 and 98.4 °F), though the skin'…

Ah youre right i missed that detail

Re: Fitness trackers find new symptom of depression: body temperature

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Post by austin-cheney »

aszantu wrote: post #58

maybe weird... I'm suffering from migraine sometimes, my face starts feeling cold, including teeth and hard palate. So I measured and it was 33 c°, told a few doctors and got no response, still looking for a cause/solution. I'm also a depression sufferer, and the days after seem to be more anxious. Tried to go to the sauna with the symtoms, but couldn't handle more than 20 minutes last time. Felt better right after,…

The commonality between manic depression and ADHD is low serotonin up take. The primary role of serotonin is mood regulation, but the consequences of poor mood regulation are complex even if the problem is simple. Converse that against dopamine deficiency which is a complex problem with limited consequences that plagues ADHD but not so much manic depression.

Low serotonin can result in metabolic inefficiencies which means poor body temperature and/or weight gain/loss out of norm even with a perfect diet. Over correcting with too much serotonin results in different mood irregularities like nightmares and anxiety and more.

The primary limitation with these problems, aside from metabolic issues, are poor decision skills that in isolation are either prematurely considered or too emotionally weighted.

Re: Fitness trackers find new symptom of depression: body temperature

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Post by lazyasciiart »

svrtknst wrote: post #68
ex3ndr wrote: post #56

I am wondering if you can just cool down your body to fix it. I had panic attacks in the past and now from time to time i am experience mild anxiety. Eventually i learned that hot shower or hot bed (i have 8sleep) actually increases anxiety, making my bed colder calms anxiety. This makes sense since anxiety and many other disorders are just overloading the body and cooling down stops the chemical processes that cause…

Not sure about "fix" but cooling the body via hot showers is a fairly common recommendation for anxiety relief, especially prior to sleep. Supposedly, if you cool the body down externally (cold shower, cold environment) it will try to increase body temp, but if you take a hot shower or sauna, the body will instead try to lower its temperature.

Drinking hot tea will also help you stay cool externally, as people in some areas seem to have known for a long time https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/a-hot-drink-on...
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