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IRS to begin trial of its own free tax-filing system

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> A spokeswoman for Intuit, Tania Mercado, criticized the direct file project as a “half-baked solution” and a waste of taxpayer money. “The direct file scheme is a solution in search of a problem,” she said. Wow, I thought that Intuit would have gone for a little more subtlety.

This is why we still have the income tax system that we do. It’s a $14 billion a year industry. I’ve talked to people who work the lobbying system very hard. There’s lots of wining and dining to make sure no one messes with the complexity of the system. We need more people who are immune to lobbying in government positions. We’ll see how this goes.. depending on the next election cycle this will either get quashed qu…

"There’s lots of wining and dining"

You mean the congressmen are bribed by free food and alcohol? Asking as a non-American.

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So in its initial form it is indeed a complete waste of tax payers money. Shocking.

I'm with you; if I still have to fill in the paperwork then quite literally what is the point? I'll continue paying an accountant to do this bullshit. This 'new' system is useless to me.

You're not the only taxpayer in the country. Other people might benefit.

You have an accountant, so you're already a minority of citizens. Open your mind.

Re: IRS to begin trial of its own free tax-filing system

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why we still have the income tax system that we do. It’s a $14 billion a year industry. I’ve talked to people who work the lobbying system very hard. There’s lots of wining and dining to make sure no one messes with the complexity of the system. We need more people who are immune to lobbying in government positions. We’ll see how this goes.. depending on the next election cycle this will either get quashed qu…

"There’s lots of wining and dining" You mean the congressmen are bribed by free food and alcohol? Asking as a non-American.

This should shed some light:

Bill Gurley: "2,851 Miles" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9cO3-MLHOM

Re: IRS to begin trial of its own free tax-filing system

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Which is really the main issue. Offering a more accessible free version to file taxes is great, but the real problem is the need to file taxes at all for a lot of people. The IRS already knows the relevant info: Your employer sends W-2 information, your bank and broker are sending the various 1099 forms for interest, dividends, stock sale gains/losses, etc. Same for your spouse and kids/dependents. Don't even need to…

This is a good first step. Ideally it turns into a "verify this all looks correct & add anything we're missing" kinda thing.

The article says that "in one possible scenario included in the agency’s report to Congress, the I.R.S. could fill out tax returns with information it already has." We can only hope :)

Re: IRS to begin trial of its own free tax-filing system

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I just file my taxes by hand and mail it in. Somewhat less concern with 3rd parties holding my information and losing it to leaks/hacks. It is free. A little obnoxious but the forms do have instructions/directions.

I heard that this sometimes takes them much longer to process the returns that way. Has that been your experience? One time I reproduced the forms in a spreadsheet following the instructions and it wasn't much different from doing the online wizards. I would have liked to mail it in but I just paid to e-file anyway.

My experience has been that it can be relatively faster.

That is, the last time I filed online it took I think practically a year before they got to it (I think the year of the pandemic)

I figure there's so few people filing by mail these days that they're able to process them faster than the huge amount of online filing.

I'm guessing they're separate teams (online vs mail). However I have no idea.

Regardless mailing has worked better for me the last couple years.

Additionally I do not have to use the third party ID verify thing (might just be for accessing information on irs.gov) that I am just sure is going to have a breach and can not for the life of me fathom why our government (Federal) needs a private company to verify the identity of a citizen via government (State) resources.

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IRS funding is objectively efficient. Every additional $1 spent on IRS budget brings in $5-9 of additional funding through enforcement. https://www.cbo.gov/publication/57444

It's very inefficient for the people who are currently stealing those $5-9.

Re: IRS to begin trial of its own free tax-filing system

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For anyone interested in why the system looks the way it does, I recommend patio11's insightful recent blog post, which is nominally about payroll systems but ends up discussing the history of taxation in the US because that's the origination of many of these systems: https://www.bitsaboutmoney.com/archive/payroll-providers-pow...

A relevant quotation for much of the discussion here:

> And, relevant to the question of whether Intuit controls U.S. tax policy: it can’t, because that would imply they have wrested control from Norquist. Norquist considers a public filing option a tax increase by stealth and opposes it automatically.

Re: IRS to begin trial of its own free tax-filing system

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> Unless you're dealing with foreign income, are a business, or do a lot of contract work for cash, I don't see much reason why the IRS can't just handle all the taxes automatically - apart from the fact that some company wants to charge me $150 a year to file my taxes and making sure that my tax situation (which would fit on a beer coaster otherwise) is as complicated as possible. I imagine there are heavy software…

I have no idea what "wash sale" is. I only heard that term when I was reading the help page in TurboTax, which I'm effectively forced to use. Seriously, I doubt there is more than 100k people in US that have this "wash sale" any year. I'm so tired of every time someone suggests automatic tax filling, there is always one guy bring up some tax term that 99.99% people never heard of. Sure, if auto tax filling doesn't so…

Literally anyone that owns stock could generate a wash sale.

Re: IRS to begin trial of its own free tax-filing system

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> A spokeswoman for Intuit, Tania Mercado, criticized the direct file project as a “half-baked solution” and a waste of taxpayer money. “The direct file scheme is a solution in search of a problem,” she said. Wow, I thought that Intuit would have gone for a little more subtlety.

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