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New York approves the first congestion toll in the US: $15 to enter Manhattan

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Re: New York approves the first congestion toll in the US: $15 to enter Manhattan

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Post by bitshiftfaced »

e63f67dd-065b wrote: post #66

I would've preferred an auction; institute a cap of x entrances/day, and run an auction the day before to efficiently allocate the limited slots to those who are most willing to pay for it. Last-minute entrants who will need to get in for whatever reason and missed the auction will pay large premium above the market clearing price. Given that vehicle traffic is non-uniform throughout the day, maybe it would make sens…

An auction would optimize pricing, but at the cost of extra friction on drivers. Who wants to have to think about bidding on a toll everyday?

Another way to do it would be to look at historical data and predict demand in advance. You could then do custom prices by day, but scheduled a month in advance or more. You could also split the day into two or three periods with different pricing.

Re: New York approves the first congestion toll in the US: $15 to enter Manhattan

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Post by thisgoesnowhere »

fragmede wrote: post #87
thisgoesnowhere wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The infrastructure to count passengers would be either a security nightmare because of the surveillance requirements or a inefficient mess where you have to stop for some person to manually see how many people are in the car. The system they are describing is better.

Fwiw, California's new toll expressways do this - counts people in the car at speed, and charges different rates based on that - so the technology already exists.

Oh for sure, I don't think the tech is hard or impossible to implement. But you are describing a pretty invasive surveillance system.

Re: New York approves the first congestion toll in the US: $15 to enter Manhattan

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Post by lwansbrough »

shipscode wrote: post #62
lwansbrough wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When the income pays for more transit and reduces transit times for buses, why would the public want to stop that trend?

Because the public by and large doesn’t enjoy public transit?

No you’re right people rave about the car centric design of Los Angeles and it’s very efficient. Phoenix is a bastion of free movement and doesn’t demand everyone own a vehicle.

The public very much enjoys the convenience and speed of well funded public transit. Even if they don’t always enjoy the actual process if it isn’t well kept and clean.

Re: New York approves the first congestion toll in the US: $15 to enter Manhattan

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Post by fragmede »

DiggyJohnson wrote: post #41
Ekaros wrote: post #30

Why not just run daily lottery in previous day? With non-transferable licenses to enter. Win one and you get in, don't win one and you are barred from entering?

Is this a serious proposal or am I missing how this is a joke?

China has an odd-even solution to this - on even days, cars with even numbered plates can drive in the city and the same for odd days. They did this for gasoline rationing in the US back in the 70's as well.

Re: New York approves the first congestion toll in the US: $15 to enter Manhattan

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Post by mikewarot »

It seems to me that NYC has really decided they want to collapse and aren't imploding fast enough.

There is no sane reason to deliberately devalue an urban core like this. They already face property tax collapse due to an occupancy crisis. It'll be like Gary, Indiana (just east of me) before you know it.

If they want to encourage use of mass transit, they should to address that issue directly, rather than this self-sabotage.

Re: New York approves the first congestion toll in the US: $15 to enter Manhattan

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Post by lwansbrough »

sgjohnson wrote: post #92
ZoomerCretin wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most New Yorkers commute via public transit.

Not because they like it.

It’s literally the only way to move that many people. What’s your point?

Re: New York approves the first congestion toll in the US: $15 to enter Manhattan

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

lwansbrough wrote: post #88
anonymouskimmer wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suburban sprawl with manicured lawns is pretty bad, too. Fortunately there are cultural shifts away from that.

Urban sprawl generally refers to the development of suburbs outside cities. That’s what I was referring to.

I thought it was a more general term, and that suburbs were distinct. But it does appear that suburbs are considered a part of urban sprawl.

Regardless, manicured lawns are an environmentally bad thing on their own.

When you mentioned urban sprawl I first thought of expansion of the urban heat-island effect.

Re: New York approves the first congestion toll in the US: $15 to enter Manhattan

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Post by windows2020 »

"...$2.50 that will be charged to vehicles from ride-hailing platforms such as Uber..." One simple trick can save you $12.50.

NYC is out of control with taxes and regulations, but...

When I lived downtown, each morning, the glass of water on my nightstand would have a little oil slick of sorts atop it. When everything was shut down at the start of the pandemic, the constant stream of vehicles stopped. My water was then clean in the morning and the sticky feeling I'd get on my hands after a walk through the neighborhood stopped too.

I think some people are totally nuts for how much they hate cars. It's as if they don't understand life beyond the island. But it would be nice to reduce pollution there.

I doubt they will remove the tax if the day comes where all cars are electric.

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