This idiocy will only hurt the working class employees who drive in from the outerboros.
Working class employees take the train.
Go hang out on any village street during street parking hours and tell them they aren’t working class to their face.
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#22This seems like a great start, but unfortunately it will likely be so lucrative, it will make it even less politically acceptable to further reduce/ban cars in the future.
When the income pays for more transit and reduces transit times for buses, why would the public want to stop that trend?
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#23The growth of fines, licenses and taxes in the USA is substantial over the last 100 years. Very few things do not require fees these days (even visiting public lands).
True and so too have the expectations of services from the public.
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#24As a Manhattan resident, I’m excited. There should be at least one city in the USA built for people instead of cars. I understand it’s not for everybody, but 75% of the residential space in the county is only zoned for insipid, paved single-family home suburban hellscapes. Leave one city for people who want a European-style walkable city.
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#25This idiocy will only hurt the working class employees who drive in from the outerboros.
What is your alternative?
My alternative are things that, unfortunately, would never fly politically:
1) Regulate urban business density in coastal cities and cities more generally limited by water.
2) More multi-core metropolises where the highest density is either spread out entirely, or spread to multiple districts sufficiently far away from each other.
Edit: The comment by hamandcheese showed I had forgotten this important modifier for point 2.
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#27> ’The city will charge $15 to passenger cars that enter the central strip of Manhattan, $24 to vans and $36 to buses and large trucks.’ Shouldn’t they charge progressive less the higher the occupancy is of the vehicle. This pricing seems backwards to me.
That is progressively less per person even though it's not less per vehicle.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oh no, if only New York had the best transit system in the country.
Which still doesn’t efficiently serve the outerboros? Why should they have to spend 2 hours in a train each way instead of 45 mins in a car?
The billion dollars a year might help change that. Why should they have to? The case has already been made by the city.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oh no, if only New York had the best transit system in the country.
Which still doesn’t efficiently serve the outerboros? Why should they have to spend 2 hours in a train each way instead of 45 mins in a car?
They don't. They have to decide if that extra 2.5 hours of life is worth $15.
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#30Why not just run daily lottery in previous day? With non-transferable licenses to enter. Win one and you get in, don't win one and you are barred from entering?