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Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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dboreham wrote: post #34
codeflo wrote: post #19

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I have a Zen 2 Threadripper box that I dual boot (it's a workstation for coding that I sometimes play games on), and I can confirm. I don't know what the exact technical reason is or why nobody in Redmond is embarrassed. But anything relating to the filesystem is simply dog-slow on Windows, and the more high-end your system is, the more this becomes the major bottleneck.

It's because the NT filesystem is optimized for a different workload. This is why WSL2 (which you should be using) uses ext4 (that's the default with an Ubuntu distro, at least).

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Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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AtlasBarfed wrote: post #72
avgcorrection wrote: post #49

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Now try saving something from Firefox. By default, it shoves it into some parallel file system within the snap. Oh did you forget to actually explicitly save it into the downloads directory? Yeah, you have no idea where it is now. Oh and of course when the download file explorer widget opens up, you can't get the mouse focus. Probably because there's some security boundary between Firefox and the file system. Usabili…

Yes! Downloading things in Firefox has been annoying too now that you mention it.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by signaru »

avgcorrection wrote: post #49
criddell wrote: post #26

I hope the community really gets behind Snap or Flatpak or one of the other systems for bringing a modern permissions and privileges system to the Linux desktop. It would help me be a lot more comfortable recommending Linux to non-technical people. What distro would you recommend to somebody like me who wants to be asked before an application gets access to my location, microphone, camera, network, etc...?

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This is why I've been using Firefox downloaded directly from Mozilla for a while now instead of the broken one shipped with Ubuntu. I just need to manually update via the "Help -> About" every once in a while, but things look much better otherwise.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by sanitycheck »

gumballindie wrote: post #64
underseacables wrote: post #28

I've been playing around with Ubuntu training myself for the day that I have to give up windows 10. My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious, everything is just 43 commands away; it requires greater understanding of not just what the system is doing, but how it is doing it; and the documentation is written like a Wikipedia article on advanced nuclear theory. Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worke…

> My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious, everything is just 43 commands away Perhaps your training was done with chatgpt or some other procedural text generator because that hasn't been the case for quite a while now. Some people should stick with poorly engineered operating systems such as Windows, since stepping out of one's comfort zone is not for everyone. Some people _need_ to be told what to do and h…

43's an exaggeration, but when something goes wrong the command-line is generally the only way to fix it even in the friendliest of distros.

In the old days in order to effectively use Linux at all anyone would have had to become familiar with the terminal and how it all works. Nowadays users only have to do that when something goes wrong - and of course that's great progress, but it does mean that those users are less prepared to deal with issues.

It's also easier to get help than it used ("RTFM n00b") to be, but that help is almost always in the form of some arcane command without any explanation of what it is, so it doesn't really help anyone learn.

Personally I'd like to see all this stuff hooked up to a GUI, with easily accessible docs for everything built in.

(I think Windows is actually quite good, unfortunately parts of Microsoft have become very user-hostile. I wish they'd just say "buy the new Windows! It's $200, we'll support it for 6 years, it will have no ads, it won't require any "cloud" and it will not harvest your personal data.")

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by johnbellone »

underseacables wrote: post #58
okr wrote: post #37

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No worries. I have installed windows 11 lately and i find it tedious. It constantly wants to register me somewhere, it asks me to have this as standard, and it is always updating something and asks me to reboot. And why i cant remove certain things from my taskbar? So, i guess, we both have out difficulties. Like always.

Windows 11 should be classified as a hate crime.. Just the fact that I'm deceitfully "required" to create a Microsoft just to use the system is an abomination. On some systems, I've seen that there is a way to bypass that account creation, and just have a local account, but it was so hidden and deceitful that it was… emotional..

This isn't any different than being "required" to create an Apple account. I agree that it is a problem that both systems make you jump through hoops to use them without doing that, but it doesn't seem to elicit the same emotions that come from it being Microsoft.

They're both trillion dollar companies that only care about keeping you in their walled garden.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by kibwen »

underseacables wrote: post #28

I've been playing around with Ubuntu training myself for the day that I have to give up windows 10. My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious, everything is just 43 commands away; it requires greater understanding of not just what the system is doing, but how it is doing it; and the documentation is written like a Wikipedia article on advanced nuclear theory. Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worke…

> Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worked

I bought a System76 machine running their own PopOS distro and everything Just Works as I'd expect, with the added benefit of actually having the ability to muck around with the innards of my system when I want to, unlike Mac or Windows, which are increasingly locked-down, opaque, and user-hostile. Neither Apple nor Microsoft are consumer desktop OS-focused companies these days; the former is a mostly a phone manufacturer and the latter is a confusing mess that might be best described as an enterprise software company. They have no material incentive to care about the quality of Mac or Windows, and it shows; their desktop OSes are afterthoughts.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by avgcorrection »

signaru wrote: post #93
avgcorrection wrote: post #49

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This is why I've been using Firefox downloaded directly from Mozilla for a while now instead of the broken one shipped with Ubuntu. I just need to manually update via the "Help -> About" every once in a while, but things look much better otherwise.

Thanks, I’ll try that soon. Chrome has nothing that Firefox doesn’t have, for me. As long as it works. :)

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by arrty88 »

CuriousCosmic wrote: post #55
okr wrote: post #37

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No worries. I have installed windows 11 lately and i find it tedious. It constantly wants to register me somewhere, it asks me to have this as standard, and it is always updating something and asks me to reboot. And why i cant remove certain things from my taskbar? So, i guess, we both have out difficulties. Like always.

> And why i cant remove certain things from my taskbar? You actually can, it's just they don't expose most of it to the user. However people have built tools [1] that give you a pretty UI to manage those more complex configs and apply them to windows. Bonus points in that you can use all the old windows UI elements from previous versions of windows and mix and match them as you choose. Honestly I couldn't tolerate Wi…

be careful. i used this for a while, but then windows updated and ended up bricking my normal user account. had to go into safemode and figure out the incantations to uninstall and resolve. all during a high priority time for needing my computer of course.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by RealStickman_ »

eldaisfish wrote: post #40
okr wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No worries. I have installed windows 11 lately and i find it tedious. It constantly wants to register me somewhere, it asks me to have this as standard, and it is always updating something and asks me to reboot. And why i cant remove certain things from my taskbar? So, i guess, we both have out difficulties. Like always.

i really dislike this line of reasoning. Windows has a much larger installed base so finding support and solutions are pretty easy. Whether that is a video, a blog or a forum, you can always find someone with the same problem. No, windows nagging you to register is not in the same ballpark as your audio not working or your video resolution changing with multiple monitors. No, windows updates adding or removing featur…

I tried searching for workarounds of network shares causing explorer freezes when no connection can be made.

The only "solution" I found was sfc /scannow

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