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De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by cmcaleer »

aetherspawn wrote: post #3

Suppose you are buying a new laptop ... does anyone else feel sad that their operating system has effectively turned into some weird social media marketing tracking data harvesting hybrid of a thing? But in the name of progress and security, you can't stay on Windows 10. So for me it's this weird middle ground right now .. waiting for either Windows to U-turn, die out, or for more work apps to port to OS X.

This frustrated me for years but I just grinned and borne with it because game compatibility and WSL meant I could do basically anything I wanted in Windows and it was what I knew.

Then one day WSL wasn't enough due to dumb compatibility reasons so I decided to dual boot Ubuntu.

Then very shortly after I just... stopped booting in to Windows for anything other than gaming. It was very strange. I've shitposted about year of the Linux desktop since I was a teenager but I never thought it would actually happen to me. It's not a buttery smooth transition - not by a long shot, but I'll take dumb Discord updating behaviour over random updates which make me panic that I downloaded malware from a Google ad. The time I spend on what I would consider dumb bullshit where I'm fighting the OS is about the same.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by superb_dev »

lovepronmostly wrote: post #14
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #8

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Regulators didn't enforce cookie banners. Cookie banners are a form of malicious compliance. When you complain about them, you are doing the lobbying work of ad companies for free. The correct solution is to just not spy on people, and the problem is that the EU didn't go far enough and just ban the behavior altogether.

What is the limit here? If I own a store and you walk into my store am I required to forget that you came into my store? Monday: Bill: "Hey Jane (store owner), do you have any X45 hammers?" Jane: "Sorry Bill, I'm out but might have some tomorrow" Tuesday: Bill "Did hammer come in I mentioned yesterday?" Jane: "What hammer? Sorry I'm not allowed to remember anything about people in my shop because that would be spying…

Jane is tracking you from store to store, remembering everything you saw, everything you interacted with, everything you did, and selling that to the highest bidder

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by jchw »

xcv123 wrote: post #90
jchw wrote: post #86

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I've tried a number of these solutions, but if it needs constant babying it's not really useful for daily driving IMO. Still might be good for test VMs, but I want something that feels like it's actually supported if I'm going to run an actual desktop machine. "Just rerun this powershell script after shit breaks and hopefully the person maintaining it doesn't stop because it will need to be updated periodically to ke…

That's too bad. I only use Windows for games. Have not had issues with the script there. If you're forced to use Windows for work then it's worth finding the minimum set of crap you can remove while keeping things stable.

Fair enough. For me, I don't play enough video games to warrant using Windows, so I am mainly venting the frustrations of trying to help other people who I know are not going to want to use Linux or macOS. The video games I do play are on emulators, have native ports or run under Proton, so I'm covered personally. Absolutely would not work for people who are playing many of the latest AAA titles I know, but I suppose if you only boot into Windows for just that you probably don't have to worry too much about some other things breaking.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by chongli »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #65
revscat wrote: post #50

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This has never happened to me. I exclusively listen to music on my phone, and work every day on my Mac. I have never had the Music app open itself up, not once. Nor I have I experienced anything that is even related to music, such as asking me to subscribe to a service.

It doesn't pop up on its own, but it is the default response to a lot of actions. Accidentally press the play button? Apple Music. Charge your iphone through your computer? Apple Music. I find it pretty annoying, but it is also easy to eliminate the default behavior

I leave Music running all the time. I have all the store and subscription features turned off. I just have the program loaded with all of my MP3s, something I've been doing since it was called SoundJam MP [1]. I have all my playlists in there and it works fine with the play/pause/prev/next buttons on the keyboard. I think they bug me about subscribing to Apple Music once every major OS update. I promptly say no and turn off any of the extra features they added.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoundJam_MP

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by [deleted] »

jchw wrote: post #93
xcv123 wrote: post #90

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That's too bad. I only use Windows for games. Have not had issues with the script there. If you're forced to use Windows for work then it's worth finding the minimum set of crap you can remove while keeping things stable.

Fair enough. For me, I don't play enough video games to warrant using Windows, so I am mainly venting the frustrations of trying to help other people who I know are not going to want to use Linux or macOS. The video games I do play are on emulators, have native ports or run under Proton, so I'm covered personally. Absolutely would not work for people who are playing many of the latest AAA titles I know, but I suppose…

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Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by cmcaleer »

zbrozek wrote: post #43
just_boost_it wrote: post #23

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I got a mac for the first time this year. Honestly, it feels like taking a shower after getting home from the beach on a sunny day when you've been wearing sunscreen. Everything just works with no extra garbage, no constant intrusive updates, no hassle. The only issue I had was the lack of alt-tab, and that was solved by an app called alt-tab.

I got my first mac through work this year and I hate the UI. It's very nice that it doesn't come with as much bloat (but it does still come it, e.g., Apple news, music, etc). I absolutely hate the window management. Inconsistent behavior on double click of the title bar (Chrome maximizes and Slack doesn't) is annoying. Lack of snapping and tiling (a la super-arrow) drives me nuts. That command-tab will switch me to a…

> I got my first mac through work this year and I hate the UI.

I am baffled by whoever thought having icons leap in the toolbar as a default behaviour was an OK thing to do. Drives me crazy when I use a Mac other than mine. I have lots of little issues with the UX. Play button opening Apple Music -- ahh! Running unsigned apps is easy but I always get caught out by the right click thing.

> you can install a dozen little extra utilities to customize your way out of most of these things

Usually paid for too. Using mouse on Mac feels absolutely awful to me without Smooze.

I wish there was a better laptop on the market, but despite the compromises my MBP is the best laptop I've ever owned it's not even close. Just like my iPhone, I think it's a brilliant device despite Apple being, well, Apple.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by jhoechtl »

aetherspawn wrote: post #3

Suppose you are buying a new laptop ... does anyone else feel sad that their operating system has effectively turned into some weird social media marketing tracking data harvesting hybrid of a thing? But in the name of progress and security, you can't stay on Windows 10. So for me it's this weird middle ground right now .. waiting for either Windows to U-turn, die out, or for more work apps to port to OS X.

You didn't mention Linux by intention? Why?

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by pfranz »

jchw wrote: post #55
just_boost_it wrote: post #23

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I got a mac for the first time this year. Honestly, it feels like taking a shower after getting home from the beach on a sunny day when you've been wearing sunscreen. Everything just works with no extra garbage, no constant intrusive updates, no hassle. The only issue I had was the lack of alt-tab, and that was solved by an app called alt-tab.

I find macOS annoying no matter what I do. AltTab is nice, but the window management still sucks in my opinion. The security bandages used to work around traditional desktop security models makes it feel incredibly annoying to use; I'll try to set a keyboard shortcut (not a global one mind you) in iTerm2 and suddenly I need to enable iTerm2 to have accessibility access? Disabling SIP is needed for a myriad of things…

> I'll try to set a keyboard shortcut (not a global one mind you) in iTerm2 and suddenly I need to enable iTerm2 to have accessibility access?

Maybe this could be more clear in iTerm's UI, but the reason it needs accessibility access is in scenarios where it's stomping on Mac OS' system shortcut keys. I would expect Windows or Linux would need special privileges to do the same.

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